Talk:Godflesh/GA1

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Reviewer: MX (talk · contribs) 20:10, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Review

This article has been sitting in our queue for a while. I will review this as soon as I can and post any concerns below. Thanks for the wait! MX (✉ • ✎) 20:10, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

@MX: Hi, MX. Thanks for doing this review! Would you prefer if I responded to your points as the review is in progress, or only after you're done? CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 16:47, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

@CelestialWeevil: No preference! When I post a section, it means the section is done. So you can go ahead and tackle it or wait until I'm done with the entire review. I usually post once for other GARs but this article is long and well-written so I want to be extra careful so I don't miss anything. MX (✉ • ✎) 16:49, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Review has concluded. Article promoted! Nice job. Excellent article. MX (✉ • ✎) 22:32, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Lead

• Suggestions: I made a few copyedits at the lead. Please check them and feel free to make any changes you deem appropriate. I have a few questions about the Notes/Footnotes. Would you be interested in bundling the citations for them? See WP:CITEBUNDLE for more information.

This looks interesting! I'll have to take some time to really understand it, but yes, I think I'll end up doing this. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 22:24, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• Suggestions: The article is incredibly well-referenced. But from an edit source mode, it is hard to navigate, read, or edit. Would you be interested using the Template:SfnRef format? I can run a software that will move all references to the References section. I did this for my most recent GA. If you click the Edit source mode, you'll see the difference.

Absolutely! This would be fantastic. I hate wading through the source text of this article. Thank you so much. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 22:24, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Infobox

• Labels – Music for Nations, Koch, and Relapse are mentioned here but not cited in the body paragraphs. Please add them in the body with a source per WP:INFOBOXCITE.

They're all in there, now. Music for Nations and Koch aren't explicitly written out, but I added references for them at the beginning of the Hymns section. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 22:14, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• Associated acts – Same goes for Cable Regime and Painkiller

Done, CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 22:14, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Formation and early years (1982–1988)

• Godflesh songs – I think it should be Godflesh's songs

Sounds good! CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 17:09, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• they were only retrospectively recognised as ahead of their time – According to whom?

I removed "only" since it's probably unprovable, and I specified the stance as coming from Exclaim! CelestialWeevil ^(talk)

• drum machine for percussion – Should we link Percussion instruments?

Done, CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 17:09, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Self-titled EP, Streetcleaner and Pure (1988–1993)

• oppressive urban landscape of Birmingham – What do you mean by "oppressive"?

I changed it to 'bleak' to remove any potential of reading that as a political statement. Does this make it clear that I'm talking about the urban conditions? CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 18:13, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• the band established a presence in underground music by releasing their self-titled EP – I would put self-titled extended play (EP) so we know EP stands for that moving forward. I had no idea what it was and made a correction at Godflesh (EP) for that very reason.

Good idea, and thanks. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 18:13, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• considered the source of industrial metal – link industrial metal since it is the first mention in the body. I saw it was linked in the lead but since the article is long enough, we can link it here too.

Done. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 18:13, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• most of the shows of the 45-date tour – I think 45-day tour reads best.

I agree! Done. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 18:13, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• Due again to issues with entering the country – What country? I assume you mean the Unites States. The reason why I ask is because there is a mention of "North America" twice in the earlier paragraphs. But North America includes U.S., Canada, Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean. I want to assume it means only the U.S., so you should reflect that in earlier mentions too. But maybe that's the lingo used in the music industry, not sure.

Whoops, my Americanishness is seeping through. I specified it as the US. The instances of North America do refer to tours of the whole continent, just this one part refers to issues with specifically entering the US. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 18:13, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Selfless, Songs of Love and Hate and Us and Them (1994–2000)

• one-off concert on 4 October 1997 at the Garage, London – Seems like "The" should capitalized in all mentions.

Done, CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 20:23, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• This experimentation continued and increased with Godflesh's next album, 1999's Us and Them. – I would recommend doing this format: Us and Them (1999), as you did in earlier mentions for other albums. like Love and Hate in Dub (1997). The other albums listed in this section are fine since the years seem to be placed well in the prose (like Life Is Easy and In All Languages).

Good catch, done, CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 20:23, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Hymns and dissolution (2001–2002)

• as well as at being forced into a tour for an album – remove "at"

Done, CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 20:23, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• return to university and focus on his relationship – By relationship, do you been romantic partner, marriage, etc.? If the source is clear, try to mirror that as much as you can. As it stands the phrase is a bit unclear.

Clarified, CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 20:23, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• his house and amassed approximately $35,000 to pay – Which currency? Please refer to MOS:CURRENCY to update it.

Done, CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 20:23, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Reunion (2010–2013)

• All good here.

A World Lit Only by Fire and Post Self (2014–present)

• The album was the band's first to chart in America, – Not sure what the policy is here (couldn't find it), but I would stick with U.S. or US since you already used United States above.

Sounds right; I changed two instances of America to U.S. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 20:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Musical style and legacy

• All good here. This is definitely one of the hardest sections. Nice job!

Visual style

• Apart from cinema, Christian iconography helped inform Godflesh's visual style – inform → inspire?

Done, CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 21:38, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Vocal style and lyrical themes

• In 2012, Broadrick stated that singing was "a necessary evil" to him – I think linking necessary evil would serve well.

Ooh, cool, I didn't know this was an article. Done. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 21:38, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• against the overt masculinity found in most metal – Interesting! Never really thought about it the relationship between masculinity and metal. Perhaps a good idea for an article you could write in the future. Something titled "Masculinity in metal"

That's a great idea! CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 21:38, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Live performances

• All good here.

Members

• OK, all of the members listed here are cited elsewhere, so we don't need to clog this section with citations. However, I did notice that the years of the former touring members is not cited in previous mentions. Can you fix that?

I added the years to the live performances section. They are all mentioned in those references, but I'll look for some more explicit ones regardless. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 21:38, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Sources

• All good here. Sources are reliable, there is no link rot (some are archived), and I crossed-referenced some sources with the text and it checked out.

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