Talk:Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire/Archive 1

Archive 1

Cast tab

Even if there's only one cast member confirmed right now, there has to be a cast tab. 2600:4040:12A9:5000:FC77:90AA:ABC4:43E4 (talk) 13:15, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Opposed. The Cast section will be expanded upon when more actors are announced. Adding it now would be premature given that only Stevens has been confirmed and he's already been added to the infobox, the lead, and the body. The article is small enough right now for readers to easily navigate and see Stevens' name on the infobox or the lead. Armegon (talk) 22:54, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

I personally feel it's perfectly fine to have a cast section, even if it only includes one cast member (so far). Nothing at MOS:FILMCAST prohibits the creation of one in cases like this. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

A note to IP editors

If you wish to talk to Armegon about the 'premise' section, this is the place to do it. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 17:35, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

There's honestly nothing to discuss. The source provided is clear and never mentions Godzilla. So, any reference to Godzilla doesn't belong in the premise unless verified by reliable sources. Not hearsay. Armegon (talk) 22:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Working title

@Armegon: In my experience, I have never seen a film's working title be mentioned in the lead, because that is almost never the actual/final title. While MOS:FILMLEAD does not explicitly prohibit mentioning working titles, it doesn't say we should include one either. The part about the title of the film is irrelevant, because like I said the working title is 98% not the actual title. So right now all the lead should say is that there is no title, or in other words, untitled. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Considering that the film is in production and there is no official definitive title yet, it would be notable to keep the working title in the lead since it's the closest thing there is to an official title we have to go on. I'm not saying we keep it there forever. Only for the time being until the final film title is revealed. Which won't be long now. Armegon (talk) 00:03, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

But it's not the title of the film. No, not even close. Working titles are usually references to the plot, in-jokes, or something completely unrelated to the film. It is very rarely close to or the same as the actual title (for reference, Godzilla vs. Kong's was Apex, Godzilla: King of the Monsters's was Fathom), and I would even go as far as to say it's purely trivial material. And again, it's not standard convention on film articles to mention that in the lead. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:41, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

It's not standard convention to not mention it in the lead either. Again, there's no rule/guideline that condones/prohibits it. You make it sound like this is a proposal to change the article title. It's not. And again, this is a temporary measure until the definitive title is revealed. Keep in mind, Untitled Godzilla vs. Kong Sequel is not the title of the film either. No, not even close. Not even official. Yet this is the main title we're running with. But Origins has enough official capacity to warrant at least a mention in the lead per MOS:FILMLEAD. The working title is an important aspect considering it is the only official title we have by far. Therefore, it warrants notability. Again, it won't be there forever. It's temporary until the real title is announced. Armegon (talk) 01:46, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure you meant by that first sentence, kindly point me to an example of another untitled film/TV series article which states its working title in the lead. Keep in mind, Untitled Godzilla vs. Kong Sequel is not the title of the film either. – it's not a title, which is why it's not italicized (I fixed that a few days ago). The lead of this page accurately states that the film does not have a title. The working title is an important aspect considering it is the only official title we have by far. – I beg to differ, a working title is not a title. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

If you wish, we can ask for more opinions at WP:FILM, if no one else chimes in here. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:57, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Yeah. That'd be better. Armegon (talk) 04:04, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I've made a post there. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:28, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Depends on if it is the sort of working title that the studio is using until they have an official name (like Black Panther II before Wakanda Forever was announced) or if it is a production title used to hide what film is being shot on set/location (like Blue Harvest for Return of the Jedi). The latter is often chosen as a joke or reference and does not necessarily tell us anything about the film, and using it as if it is an actual title could be a pretty major WP:UNDUE issue because Wikipedia would be telling readers that it is an official alternate title and elevating it above what it actually is. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:41, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

It’s kinda more complicated in this case. Firstly, yes, it is a production title (sources are calling it a working title) that they’re using on set/location but they’re not being secretive about it, as you can see here [1]. Secondly, the title “Origins” seems to be more than an in-joke title and considering that the last two films delved a little bit deeper into the origins of the monsters, the working title likely tells us an idea about the movie and the direction they’re going in. And I must stress again that this is not a proposal to change the article title and noting the working title in the lead would only be temporary and will be removed once the final title is announced. I added it to the lead since it’s the closest thing to an official title that we have. Armegon (talk) 14:55, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

New name of movie

So I found out the untitled Godzilla vs Kong Sequels official name will be called Godzilla and Kong. The article should be fully edited to include that name 66.153.170.182 (talk) 02:46, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Source? InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:07, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

https://www.screengeek.net/2022/11/14/godzilla-vs-kong-2-title/ Scholle2008 (talk) 17:37, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Not a reliable source. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:46, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

[2] [3] [4] [5]. This sites say all the same. Scholle2008 (talk) 18:55, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Only two of those are reliable sources, but they both reference tweets, which are unreliable. WP:FRUIT. We need a reliable, third-party source that independently confirms this. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:19, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

WP:BALL states "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation, rumors, or presumptions." The article will be changed to the official title once it's officially announced by Legendary, Warners, or Toho. Armegon (talk) 02:34, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

x

Please note that while normally, we would use an × instead of an x, the studio and official social media accounts all seem to be using x, so we should follow suit. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:33, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

"Later in September, a banner, teasing a potential team-up, was displayed at the North American International Toy Fair in New York."

This isn't particularly clear. While a hard-core Godzilla fan (eg. me) knows that it is talking about Godzilla and Kong teaming up, the average person reading this might not. Also, I would think that speculation such as "teasing a potential team-up" shouldn't be featured on a page like this. And should one random banner that supposedly teases a team-up (just as much as the title featuring an "x" instead of a "vs" does) be featured in the marketing section of this film page?

I'd fix it myself, but I've got no idea how to edit articles. 2A02:C7C:A4B6:1A00:5FB2:34C6:CF55:A2A3 (talk) 14:51, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

The passage is written to reflect the source provided. It's also the earliest sign of the film's marketing at a public venue (a toy fair), so yes it belongs in the Marketing section. Leave as is, unless there's consensus to remove or alter it. Armegon (talk) 18:41, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I have fixed this to make it clear, per your request. FPTI (talk) 15:28, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Is the x pronounced or silent?

Wondering if the x is pronounced or is it silent like Spy x Family and Hunter x Hunter? Isla🏳️‍⚧ 22:59, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

It's silent. Director Adam Wingard confirmed this, [6]. Armegon (talk) 02:46, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Should King Kong be added to the "based on" section?

Godzilla and Mothra are there, so I think King Kong should be added too 2A00:23C4:3A1B:9001:6882:847:7C44:805E (talk) 23:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

This is based on the billing block, per Template:Infobox film. Kong is not credited to his creators in the billing block for some reason but I believe it has something to do with certain attributes of the character now being public domain -- that's how Legendary and Warners are able to use the character without paying the Cooper estate, as long as they don't call him "King" Kong. Armegon (talk) 02:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Update on the Box Office

Accroding to the websites, the film made 35 million dollars on the opening day, and it's set to make 75 million dollar on the opening weekend. 24.235.144.97 (talk) 14:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Box office will be updated as needed. Those numbers will change weekly. Armegon (talk) 19:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:MonsterVerse#Requested move 31 March 2024

An editor has requested that MonsterVerse be moved to another page, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Grammar

@Armegon, well, the character Shimo was the who froze Skar King and Kong shattered him, so the term "respectively" is actually fitting and correct. 182.183.15.64 (talk) 15:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps but "respectively" is an adverb intended to modify the meaning. From what I understand, it is to be used mostly if the context is unclear and the way the sentence in question is written it's clear enough. Readers can deduce that "Shimo freezes Skar King before Kong shatters him to pieces" without slapping them in the head by adding "respectively". Armegon (talk) 16:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)