Talk:Golden Bay / Mohua

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Despite the fact that it was free to copy, I've altered it... as it was it looked like it was from the Golden Bay Tourist Board. This is supposed to look like an encyclopaedia, not a holiday brochure!Grutness 22:15, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Proposed merger with Takaka

I oppose this merger. Towns get articles in Wikipedia without question, so there certainly should be an article on Takaka. Districts can sometimes be difficult to define, but Golden Bay is fairly well known, and was a county between 1956 and 1989. They have separate entries in, for example, Wises New Zealand Guide (1994 edition) and Bateman's New Zealand Encyclopedia (4th edition 1995).-gadfium 20:22, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this merge is not appropriate. Golden Bay is still worth a separate article. -- Avenue (talk) 09:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. if anything, this article should be split into separate articles on the bay and district. Grutness...wha? 01:31, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

 Done - article has been split to Golden Bay (district). This article is now only about the water body. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 14:53, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the Bainham edits, Grutness and Paora, this points to the scope question of what exactly is Golden Bay? This article was split into a bay and a "district" and some years later, this was undone through this AfD. In my mind, there is a clear distinction between the water body and the land area. Hence, Bainham is certainly located "in" Golden Bay (the land area) and "inland" from the body of water. But we can’t really express the former as we don’t have that article (any longer); maybe that’s something that we should fix. On Commons, we do make the distinction (because I’ve set it up that way). Note that the Tasman District template has a Golden Bay community board area and that even covers the West Coast around Whanganui Inlet and further south. I don’t think of those western areas as Golden Bay and while not many people live there, the various localities will eventually have articles and appear in that template under the GB heading. Thoughts? Schwede66 18:33, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

@Schwede66 and Grutness: Golden Bay refers to two things, the body of water and a land area, in a situation akin to Bay of Plenty, which refers to both the bight and the area, and which is all covered in a single article. It seems to me that the Golden Bay article should state and reflect this more explicitly than it does at present, and cover both the water and the land more fully. There are many, many books about Golden Bay that are about the land, what happens on the land, and the people who live on the land. A cursory check of any library catalogue confirms this. If I were to say that I live in Golden Bay, it would be understood by most people that I live somewhere on the land area known as Golden Bay, rather than on a houseboat on the water. Regarding Bainham, there is no doubt that Bainham is in Golden Bay (the land area), but is not on the shores of Golden Bay (the body of water), and to say that it isn't in Golden Bay is contrary to common usage. Category:Populated places around Golden Bay / Mohua is clearly only for coastal communities, as it is a subcategory of Category:Populated coastal places in New Zealand, so Bainham does not belong in Category:Populated places around Golden Bay / Mohua. I have always regarded localities and features like Maungarākau, Paturau, Te Hapu and Whanganui Inlet as being in Golden Bay; they are, after all, in the former Golden Bay County. Regarding the Tasman District template, the populated places are subdivided by wards, of which Golden Bay ward (corresponding to the former county) is one. Paora (talk) 21:15, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps the best solution - given the size of Tasman as a unitary authority - would be to add sections to the Tasman District article on the separate wards, and to reinstate Golden Bay (district) as a redirect to there, along with an explanatory hatnote at Golden Bay. Grutness...wha? 23:37, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

That seems like a reasonable approach, I can understand the rationale behind having it here but talking about the area seems better suited for Tasman District. Turnagra (talk) 00:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Golden Bay (the area) is worthy of having a page in its own right, just as Fiordland, which is part of Southland District (which is not a unitary authority), is. I'd go so far as to say that the area is the primary topic, and that the body of water should be disambiguated! Paora (talk) 01:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

I mean if you think there's enough to go off with it then we could go with that instead – there's natural disambiguation with Golden Bay / Mohua for the body of water as well – but how would that work given the recent AfD for the district page? Turnagra (talk) 03:14, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

(quick edit: I didn't realise the AfD was from 10 years ago, that's probably long enough that we can give the split another shot if we want to?) Turnagra (talk) 03:16, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

If we all agree that it's notable (I certainly support hold that view) then it should have its own article. And I also support the view that it's the primary topic, with "/ Mohua" indeed a good way of disambiguating. Paora, was talking to somebody today who's lived here since the 1990s and asked him whether Whanganui Inlet is part of Golden Bay. In his view, Wharariki Beach and a few more kilometers along the coast is part of Golden Bay. Where the beach changes from sand to stone, that where it becomes the West Coast for him. I shall seek further views from the long-term locals. Schwede66 07:28, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Schwede66: I'd say that the areas south of Wharariki are on the west coast but not on the West Coast, given that they were in Collingwood County, then Golden Bay County, and now Tasman District. Maungarākau Swamp is described here as being in Golden Bay; Te Hapu similarly described here; Whanganui Inlet here. I've always regarded the farm south of Whanganui Inlet where my grandfather grew up as being part of Golden Bay, albeit also on the west coast. Paora (talk) 08:46, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Paora, right, somebody moved things around and this article (the bay) is now titled as suggested above. And when one of us gets round to it, we can have a quick look at pageviews and determine whether the region is indeed the primary topic (which is rather likely) and then utilise the current redirect that takes that spot. Schwede66 22:11, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

I've had a look at what the land area of Golden Bay is, i.e. its geographical extent. Tasman District resulted from the 1989 New Zealand local government reforms. One constituent county was the Golden Bay County, which in itself came out of a merger of Collingwood and Golden Bay counties. And this 1937 map shows the county boundaries (you may have to manually advance to page 2). I've superimposed that map onto Google Earth, where I have the current district boundaries. And then I approximately followed the watershed boundary so that it approximately represented the superimposed line, tying in at Rākauroa / Torrent Bay. I offer this line as a kmz for download to anyone who has the skills of doing something useful with it on OSM; that line and the Tasman District boundary would neatly define the land area of Golden Bay. I'm sure that Canley would know what to do, but there will be others, too. Schwede66 23:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Demographics

Gadfium, it says: Golden Bay/Mohua statistical area includes Collingwood and Parapara. In the discussion above, we decided what the geographic scope of Golden Bay / Mohua. Basically, it's everything once you go over Tākaka Hill and it does include the west coast area around Whanganui Inlet. Could you possibly redo the demographics so that it matches that definition? Schwede66 00:42, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

@Schwede66: I have added Tākaka and Pōhara-Abel Tasman to the existing Golden Bay/Mohua SA2. This covers the coast from Kahurangi Point (south west of Whanganui Inlet) to Boundary Bay (just north of Rākauroa / Torrent Bay).-gadfium 04:14, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks for that. I hope you've seen that I've set up a meetup in Golden Bay for February 2024, Gadfium. Would be great to see you. Schwede66 04:29, 6 August 2023 (UTC)