Talk:Gollum/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 20:27, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for taking this one on. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Criteria

1. Prose ✓ Pass

2. Verifiability ✓ Pass

3. Depth of Coverage ✓ Pass

4. Neutral ✓ Pass

5. Stable ✓ Pass

6. Illustrations ✓ Pass

7. Miscellaneous ✓ Pass

Comments

1.

• "in Rider Haggard's" - Is he commonly referred to as Rider Haggard? In the States, I've always seen his name as H. Rider Haggard

In the UK always.

• This is only indirectly related to this article, but the piped link to Goblin Town goes to the Moria article, while it's really more connected to the Misty Mountains. This may be worth fixing.

Fixed. However MM needs to redirect to Geography of Middle-earth, possibly by extending the target SLIGHTLY, if you'd care to take a look at that.

• Wikilink the One Ring at the first mention in the prose body, it's linked later in there

Done.

• Bilbo is a duplink

Gone.

• To those who aren't familiar with Tolkien's works, "the Dark Lord of Mordor" wouldn't be easily equatable with Sauron

Fixed.

• Emyn Muil is a duplink

Gone.

• Wood Elves and Elvish redirect to the same article, probably don't need the Elvish link

Gone.

• "Gollum swore by the "precious" itself," - Unless I missed something, it hasn't been strongly established that the precious is the Ring

Fixed.

• "the giant spider Shelob" - It's already been established who Shelob is, so I don't think the qualifier is necessary

Gone.

• Orcs is a duplink (Orcs twice, I have no problem with the additional link to goblins, given the ambiguity in naming)

Gone.

• "In the first edition of The Hobbit Tolkien" - Comma after Hobbit, and the book title is a duplink

Fixed.

• Shelob is a duplink

Gone.

• The Two Towers is a duplink

Gone.

• Frodo and Sam are duplinks

Gone.

• Elf is a duplink

Gone.

• Hobbits is sometimes capitalized and sometimes not, this should be consistent

Fixed.

• The Ring and hobbits are duplinks

Gone.

• Gandalf is a duplink

Gone.

• Eru Iluvatar is a duplink

Gone.

• Sauron is a duplink

Gone.

• Link the Dead Marshes

Done.

• "Despite Tolkien's description,[8]" and the paragraph ends with that. Either finish the sentence off or delete the fragment

Removed.

More

2.

• "In The Fellowship of the Ring, Aragorn states that "his malice gives him a strength hardly to be imagined."[citation needed]" - Citation needed

Added.

• " In The Two Towers, Gollum's grip is described as "soft, but horribly strong" as he wrestles with Sam.[T 9]" - The ref is to the Return of the King ...

Fixed, see next.

• " In The Two Towers, Sam bound Gollum's neck with Elven rope, which caused Gollum excruciating pain by its mere presence.[T 9]" - Again, the ref is actually to ROTK. If I remember right, this passage is actually in the Two Towers, so it appears to be a ref error

Fixed ref.

• Is the Encyclopedia of Arda an RS? It says "copyright Mark Fisher" at the bottom, so it's likely a personal website

Fisher is a well-known Tolkien source.

• IMDB is generally not considered to be a reliable source, as it's user-generated

Replaced refs.

• Ref 36 is a self-sourced popular culture reference, these are generally not considered to be sufficient for refs or demonstrating noteworthiness.

Removed.

• Does ref 26 really indicate that it's on the DVD like claimed?

Removed as unencyclopedic.

• The information given for ref 30 (Total film) and the results of what comes up when I click on it don't seem to match

Replaced ref.

• Ref 31 appears to have been domain hijacked

Replaced ref.

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6.

• There's four fair-use images used in this one, how well do you think this fits with the minimal use requirement of WP:NFCC?

I think we're ok. The article is long relative to the number of illustrations, and they each make a specific point, namely how the artists/filmmakers involved visualised the character (extremely differently). It would plainly be impossible to give such an impression in words.

7.

• Lead could use something from the first three paragraphs of the significance section

Added.

There's some ref work that needs done on this one, mostly related to the film/pop culture section. Hog Farm (talk) 03:57, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

All done to date.

That's it I think, passing. Hog Farm (talk) 15:16, 20 April 2020 (UTC)