Talk:Good Trouble (TV series)

Season 2 episode count

Has it been confirmed anywhere what the episode count for the second season is? The entry here [1] on the California film commission website would suggest 16 episodes, especially as there's a listing for a Good Trouble 2.5(Which suggests additional episodes ordered). I wonder if the show went from 13 to 16 episodes?. It may be worth keeping an eye out for any websites that confirm the shows order & return date. Esuka (talk) 19:00, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

@Esuka: I don't see where it listed 16 episode count on the pdf link that you provided. I don't think there is a confirmation about the episode count for the second season yet elsewhere yet. — YoungForever^(talk) 19:58, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

I was looking at the season budget listed on the page. TV shows on broadcast & cable generally are between $2-3 million per episode(though it's not uncommon to see 4-5 million per episode prestige shows, or old expensive long running ones), less so for shows on Freeform. So the $37 million quoted between both show listings for season 2 would suggest at least more than 13 episodes. I found it odd how no entertainment website appears to be talking about the shows order or return date, despite there clearly being more than eight episodes for this season. Esuka (talk) 20:03, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

@Esuka: I don't think we should include the episode count until there is an actual confirmation. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:06, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

According to the shows lead star Maia Mitchell the show returns in the Winter along with a two hour Christmas special, see [2] Is it worth doing a separate table for this special? I wonder if Freeform will just give it an episode number and keep with the current season. I guess this explains the extra listing on the California Film Commissions website for the show, it was just the special. Esuka (talk) 21:03, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

From popular TV series articles that I have seen, there is a separate table for a special when there is enough info with a reliable source for the table. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:10, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

About Specials

I want put out that: if a network count them as a regular episodes then we should put the episode number them as such the case like Big Mouth (TV series)#Season 3 (2019), for "My Furry Valentine" episode" and Chilling Adventures of Sabrina (TV series)#Episodes, for "Chapter Eleven: A Midwinter's Tale" episode; we shouldn't put the episode number if they do NOT count specials as regular episodes such as List of The Big Bang Theory episodes#Special, for "Unraveling the Mystery: A Big Bang Farewell". — YoungForever^(talk) 07:00, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

These are regular episodes, they're just being called specials because they're Christmas related. The Big Bang Theory example sounds like a discussion sort of episode? I don't watch the show so I have no idea. I think the only question is will Freeform call them "Episodes 9 & 10"? or will they be labeled as "Episodes 1 & 2" specials? If you read the other topic I brought up that that Freeform had been granted tax credits for the specials per the "Good Trouble 2.5" listing. That to me suggests they intend the episodes to be a part of the second season. But we'll know closer to the time I guess. Esuka (talk) 20:27, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

According to Bradley Bredeweg's tweet, he called the specials "With a little surprise in between." That doesn't implies the specials as part of season 2 though. Of course, we should know for sure if they are or not once they release more info or when they air. — YoungForever^(talk) 20:56, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Exactly, Freeform doesn't promote or handle their shows that well. I think these Wikipedia pages & the networks ratings would be better if they were more forthcoming with fans about how things stand. Some tiny shreds of information and a small amount of promotion before these specials air doesn't really bode well. But the wait continues for more information. Esuka (talk) 22:08, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I would count them as regular episodes as well, if they could towards the storyline. They can always include a "Specials" subheader in the Season 2 table using {{Episode table/part}}. Note that specials such as List of The Big Bang Theory episodes#Special are a retrospective episode; that is, a look at the series from a real world view, not a storyline-contributing episode. Also note, however, that there are always special cases; "A Christmas Carol" is not an episode of Doctor Who (series 6) but is included in the table, and List of Jane the Virgin episodes#ep99 is a "behind-the-scenes feature rather than a contributing episode to the series' fictional storyline" but is officially categorized as the 99th episode, hence its inclusion. -- /Alex/₂₁ 11:26, 20 November 2019 (UTC)