Talk:Goodstart Early Learning

Please do not redirect to the old Company — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.203.124.14 (talk) 23:44, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Please do not just blank the redirect without a good explanation. If there is something we have overlooked, please open a new section on Talk:ABC Learning so we can discuss it. Thank you. --Sam Sailor ^Talk! 00:19, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

@Zep6767 and Sam Sailor: As the creator of this page, as a re-direct, 7 July 2012‎ I believe that I did so after ABC Learning (ABCL) 'crashed'. Later in August 2012.[1] there were attempts to turn ABCL into a page more about Goodstart (GS) by Goodstartearlylearning (talk · contribs) who didn't reply to talk-page messages.

ABCL "... was once the world's largest provider of early childhood education services"

Admittedly Goodstart, IIRC, took over much of what was ABCL, but they are separate entities and should probably be treated as such. If Goodstart is notable, then it should have a separate, non-promotional and encyclopaedic page. It claims:

"Goodstart Early Learning is Australia’s largest early learning provider.",

but is sourced to the GS home web-page[2] and that doesn't seem to say this. Otherwise this page should re-direct to the ABC Learning page section with information about how GS took over the remains of ABCL. IMHO. - 220 of ^Borg 11:16, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

@220 of Borg and Zep6767: Looking at 2011 sources like e.g.

• "ABC Learning gets new name". The Sydney Morning Herald. Retrieved 18 May 2016., and
• "Lateline Business - 15/11/2011: ABC Learning rebranded ahead of new standards". Retrieved 18 May 2016.

it appears they did take over ABC Learning assets. 220 of Borg may be right that they should have two separate articles.

Looking at sources like e.g.

• "Budget 2016: Child care groups 'extremely disappointed' by subsidies delay". ABC News. 4 May 2016. John Cherry from the country's largest child care provider, Goodstart Early Learning, said the decision would hurt families.
• "All volunteer work should qualify parents for childcare payments, providers say". The Sydney Morning Herald. 4 August 2015. Australia's largest childcare provider, Goodstart Early Learning, along with the Australian Childcare Alliance and the Early Learning and Care Council ..., and
• "Takeover targets: childcare back in fashion". The Australian. 4 July 2015. The company, which owns 475 centres, making it the second-largest childcare group behind the not-for-profit Goodstart Early Learning ...

confirm that ABC Learning is the largest Australian provider. I notice that SwisterTwister (talk · contribs) drove by and PRODed this article with the rational still questionable for WP:Notability (organizations and companies) and WP:GNG after having spend c. 2 minutes on it (Diff of Dil Aur Mohabbat → Diff of Goodstart Early Learning). Looking into the references provided, and looking into the sources that can be found - something that obviously takes a lot more time than 2 minutes - a lack of notability is not the challenge here. I am going to de-PROD the article and stub it, the section § History sounds like an inside job to me. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 12:20, 18 May 2016 (UTC)