Talk:Google Pay (payment method)

Rename

This page needs to be renamed to "Google Pay" as according to https://www.google.com/payments/solutions/, they have used the term "Buy with GPay" in all the photos. In their brand guidelines (https://developers.google.com/payments/brand-guidelines), they have used the term "Google Pay" and "GPay" for the brand, instead of "Pay with Google". -Wefk423 (talk)

 Fixed In the future, you can list the move on Wikipedia:Requested moves for an administrator to perform. Happy new year, Daylen (talk) 23:37, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to merge from Android Pay Wefk423 (talk) 10:05, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

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This is merely a merger of Google Wallet into Android Pay. I'd recommend that this article be deleted, details merged into Android Pay, and that page moved to Google Pay. ViperSnake151  Talk  16:57, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

• Support. Adequate evidence and sources shown that Android Pay has been renamed to Google Pay, with additional features such as Google Wallet. [1] All Android Pay link are also redirected to the new Google Pay webpage.

Comment Good idea but what about Google Wallet? It is also one of the services of the Google Pay family brand. - Wefk423 (talk) 17:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

That would be treated as a defunct service in its article. Its app was rebranded as Google Pay Send, apparently. ViperSnake151  Talk  17:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

The article currently says It was also announced that Android Pay and Google Wallet would be merged into the service. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

• Support - Google have confirmed this with all Android Pay web links now redirecting to Google Pay. Commyguy (talk) 09:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Another Country - Croatia

As of 01.08.2018. I got a notification and successfully activated GPay in Croatia with a bank card ([VISA]) issued by Privredna banka Zagreb. There is still no official notification, not on Google Pages nor on official bank site...

Can someone more experienced input data on the website. Leave a message in my talk if you a proof. THX - Vladimirko (talk) 07:01, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Update Google published change on the support page: https://support.google.com/pay/answer/7644711 Vladimirko (talk) 07:25, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2020

Please add the following to this page:

[Paragraph Title:] Fees and Limits

Google Pay never charges fees for sending or receiving money. [Source: https://pay.google.com/gp/w/home/sendrequestmoney]

There are no fees to use debit cards or make bank transfers, though a 2.9% fee is charged for credit cards. The maximum amount per transaction set at $9,999. [Source: https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/paypal-vs-google-wallet-vs-venmo-vs-square-cash/]

[I, Paul Vandervoort, have no affiliation of any kind with Google Pay.] Pvanderv (talk) 18:20, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: This sounds a little promotional so I am not going to add it in yet. If you can change the wording so it is less promotional, then I may definitely add it in. Aasim 03:24, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2020

Gimcom (talk) 14:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

|2021 [Expected] |Belarus

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.

References

Citation #82 has no such information

The reference #82 is used through the coverage table to justify the status of some countries as "upcoming" however there's no information about those same countries in the website being referenced. Could someone please fix this? WitorSousa (talk) 02:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2022

Usage within public transport systems - Slovakia Change area to Countrywide (only selected bus companies) Milan12332567 (talk) 17:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:04, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Source in slovak language: https://www.ubian.sk/pomoc-a-podpora (FAQ Official website) > KDE VŠADE MÔŽEM CESTOVAŤ S VIRTUÁLNOU DOPRAVNOU KARTOU? > "Následne zakúpenú virtuálnu dopravnú kartu je možné používať na cestovanie u dopravcov, ktorí akceptujú platbu plastovou dopravnou kartou vo verejnej doprave a sú zapojení vo vzájomnom zúčtovaní."

Translation: "The subsequently purchased virtual transport card (Google Pay) can be used for travel with companies that accept payment by plastic transport card in public transport and are involved in mutual settlement." therefore only selected companies Milan12332567 (talk) 19:24, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

GPay != Google Wallet != Google Pay Send

The history of the Google Wallet app is as follows

com.google.android.apps.walletnfcrel (introduced in 2011)

Google Wallet (old) > Android Pay > Google Pay > Google Wallet

com.google.android.apps.gmoney (introduced in 2016, discontinued in 2018)

Google Wallet > Google Pay Send

com.google.android.apps.nbu.paisa.user (introduced in 2017)

Tez > Google Pay > GPay

com.google.android.apps.nbu.paisa.user is effectively three apps in one; the functionality and design in each of the three regions it's available in varies wildly. "Google Pay India" refers to what this app functions like when in India.

The online payment service was introduced with Google Checkout in 2013

Pay with Google Checkout > Pay with Google Wallet > Pay with Android Pay > Pay with Google Pay

With the new Google Wallet launch, it is no longer accurate to say that Google Pay can store passes, as Google Pay is now solely an online and in-store payment service, hence why Google Pay can exist in the GPay India app, despite them not having Google Wallet.

Pass saving service was introduced with Android Pay, before passes had to be directly integrated into the old Google Wallet app

Save to Android Pay > Save to Google Pay/Add to Google/Add to Google Pay/Google Pay | Save to phone > Add to Google Wallet AppGoo0011 (talk) 18:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I've reverted your WP:BOLD edit, which improperly removed a large amount of sourced information. Any major overhaul or WP:SPLIT must be discussed on the talk page first. Feel free to restore your other uncontrversial changes.

First off, I would like to note that the term GPay has never been used by Google and was cooked up by certain sources to differentiate between the two apps, so it should not be used anywhere here on Wikipedia. With that being said, we should not have separate articles for the 2018 Google Pay and the 2020 Google Pay. While they may technically be separate apps on the Play Store, none of that actually matters to the general public because they're still the same service.

This article is about Google Pay the service, not com.google.android.apps.walletnfcrel or com.google.android.apps.nbu.paisa.user. To keep things simple, pretend that Google Pay (2018) → Google Pay (2020) rather than Google Pay (2018) → Google Wallet (2022) and Tez → Google Pay (2020). The 2018 Google Pay app was also never supposed to continue existing after the 2020 Google Pay app was launched, until for some reason they decided to repurpose it for the new Google Wallet. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

When you install com.google.android.apps.nbu.paisa.user the app name is literally called "GPay" on the Android home screen/app drawer. You can also use this query in Google Search to find instances where they have used the term on official websites and support pages: "gpay" site:google.com

You're right, the article is about the service called Google Pay, not the app. So things that are handled by the new Google Wallet app should be moved there. AppGoo0011 (talk) 00:26, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

If that's the case we might as well move YouTube Music to YT Music and YouTube TV to YT TV. No, actually, those abbreviations can in no way be considered the actual/official name. And on the support/about pages you cited, GPay is used as an abbreviation, not as the app's actual full name.

I agree with moving stuff that only pertains to Google Wallet there, but you should not remove anything that used to apply here (just change it to past tense) or split the info about the 2020 Google Pay app. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:34, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

YouTube Music and YT Music do not exist under different application package names. Most of what I removed was repetitive (e.g. the various verification methods that can be used with Google Wallet appeared in three different sections)

This field "Spring CEO Alan Tisch said Google Pay improves mobile shopping business by supporting a "buy button" powered by Google Pay integrated within vendor's creative design." was entirely irrelevant and did not belong in the section it was in.

I maintain that the 2020 GPay app is a companion app, not a redesign, regardless of what Google calls it. Wikipedia isn't supposed to derive its information solely from first party sources anyways. If anything it is a redesign of the Tez app, so it should go under the Tez wiki page. AppGoo0011 (talk) 00:43, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Again, I have no problem with removing those pieces of repetitive information. I just strongly oppose having separate articles for the 2018 Google Pay and the 2020 Google Pay (which, again, should not be referred to as GPay). The 2018 Google Pay app was intended to be discontinued and replaced by the 2020 Google Pay app, and the two-year transition period where the two apps co-existed was not meant to be permanent. Keep things simple. It serves no benefit to readers to have an article called Google Pay (2018 app) separate from an article called Google Pay (2020 app), which will only makes things more confusing. Furthermore, the Tez (software) should stay the same, since Google has dropped all mention of that service, indicating its death is absolute. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:45, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

I am keeping it simple. The majority of my edit slimmed down the article. I did one thing you didn't like and reverted the whole edit :(

In regards to you changing the logos/screenshot that I myself uploaded, those belong in the companion app section if you are intent on keeping them in the article. Google Pay is available in over 40 countries. GPay is available in just 3. Which do you think should represent the whole of the article? AppGoo0011 (talk) 02:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Tytygh55, I am now beginning to view your edits as WP:DISRUPTIVE. The images in the infobox have been around for well over a year, so they are the status quo ante of the article that should be retained until this discussion has concluded per WP:STATUSQUO and WP:EDITCON. I'm not sure why you believe your edits to the infobox were "agreed upon", and I would advise restoring the previous version per WP:BRD.

I did one thing you didn't like and reverted the whole edit :( – as I mentioned in my initial reply, you are welcome to reinstate your other edits which are uncontroversial. I had no choice but to revert your edits in bulk because of WP:EDITCONFLICT issues.

Google Pay is available in over 40 countries. GPay is available in just 3. Which do you think should represent the whole of the article? – Google is an American company. The 2020 Google Pay app is the primary (and now only) Google Pay app available in the U.S., so yes, I believe the infobox image should be using the 2020 logo. Compare this to Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, which is a British book and thus uses the British title and cover. It is also almost certain at this point that the 2020 app will eventually replace the 2018 app in all territories, though I acknowledge that is pure WP:SPECULATION. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

You're the only one that's taking issue with it. The main Google Pay logo has been there for even longer than the GPay one. If anything, I was the one that intially disrupted the status quo by replacing those images, and am now restoring it by bringing back the logo that represents all regions. Now can you please fill out your section of the dispute resolution so it can get reviewed? AppGoo0011 (talk) 03:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Also, I have contributed far more to this page than you have, and have far more experience with Google's inner workings and their products. You are not an administrator. You cannot revert every edit I make, as you've been doing these last few days.

(~3% vs ~20%)

https://sigma.toolforge.org/usersearch.py?name=Tytygh55&page=Google_Pay&max=500&server=enwiki

https://sigma.toolforge.org/usersearch.py?name=InfiniteNexus&page=Google_Pay&server=enwiki&max= AppGoo0011 (talk) 03:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

First of all, please avoid personal attacks. Focus on content, not the editor. It's not about how many edits you and I made, or whether I am an administrator. Anyone can edit Wikipedia, and I thank you for your contributions. But claiming (without evidence) that you have far more experience with Google's inner workings and their products is irrelevant, and possibly condescending. And I have never tried to revert every edit [you] make, please do not misconstrue my edits.

With that being said, of course the old Google Pay logo has been around longer, the new logo was only introduced two years ago! As I have stated several times, the 2020 Google Pay app is intended to be the successor to the 2018 Google Pay app, and this is already the case in the U.S. So the article's lead and infobox should reflect that, as it has for the past year-and-a-half. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Not a personal attack, just stating facts.

Where's the source for you claiming GPay is supposed to be the successor to Google Pay? Becuase it literally makes no sense considering they just released Google Wallet.

If we're allowed to speculate now then I will see you back here when GPay is discontinued in the US and Google Wallet reigns supreme. AppGoo0011 (talk) 04:06, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Sure, here's one from the article (ref #41): "The old Google Pay service that has been around for years is dying. The app will be shut down in the US on April 5, and if you want to continue using New Google Pay, you'll have to go find and download a totally new app." In other words, the 2018 Google Pay app will be discontinued, and the 2020 Google Pay app will be the only Google Pay app available. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Gonna need a primary source. It was never killed, but Google did hide it from the Play Store in the US region for a while until Caesar Sengupta quit and Bill Ready was hired. His team then re-listed the app and has now rebranded it to Google Wallet.

There's lots of articles where journalists confuse what Google Pay is. The Verge posted one yesterday that claimed Google Wallet wasn't going to be released in the US. AppGoo0011 (talk) 04:19, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

That's not how Wikipedia works. We don't need primary sources to confirm everything. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:33, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

To add onto this, are you aware that the second paragraph of § 2020 design does note the separate app listings? Do you not find that clear enough to indicate that they are technically two different apps, but in practice they can be considered the same service? InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

InfiniteNexus Then why do you keep insisting that it's a redesign in the subheading? AppGoo0011 (talk) 04:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Because that's how many sources describe it: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]. And it's less confusing to readers this way. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:33, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

As seen in this image, the Google Pay app in the U.S. uses the 2020 icon. Hence why our infobox should match that. The 2018 app is dead, replaced by Wallet. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:52, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, that's what I've been saying... AppGoo0011 (talk) 05:58, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

No, that's not what you were saying. You insisted that the article cover the 2018 app, which is being killed off. You even went ahead and restored the old logo in the infobox.

I just looked at the image again, which literally shows that functionality on the 2018 Google Pay app will be transferred to Google Wallet in several countries, and the 2020 Google Pay app will continue existing in the U.S. and Singapore. The 2018 Google Pay app is dead. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@AppGoo0011: Please respond why you believe the article should be focused on the 2018 app when that is being discontinued. Communication is required. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:17, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Nightenbelle: Thank you for closing the DRN thread. I agree that it was improper to start a post there when this discussion has only been going on for a couple days, as I previously wrote. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:47, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

I hope you also read what I wrote about having a civil discussion. You both need to chill out. Nightenbelle (talk) 18:05, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

I have been very civil thoughout, but I'm growing increasingly frustrated at Tytygh55's apparent failure to understand my viewpoint. I also find his comment above (Also, I have contributed far more to this page than you have, and have far more experience with Google's inner workings and their products. You are not an administrator. You cannot revert every edit I make, as you've been doing these last few days.) highly uncivil and inappropriate. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:10, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: I said it shouldn't be focused on the 2018 app, it should be focused on the service of Google Pay. I'm frustrated you don't understand my viewpoint as well. AppGoo0011 (talk) 01:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

For instance, I can have both Google Wallet and GPay uninstalled and yet I'll still be able to pay with Google Pay on Android. And of course, there's no Google Pay app to install on macOS or Windows or elsewhere, yet you can still pay with Google Pay on those platforms as long as a supported browser is used. THAT'S what the article should be focused on. AppGoo0011 (talk) 01:29, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. I believe you are referring to the "Buy with Google Pay" button found on certain websites and apps. If that's the case, this article should not be focused on that either. The 2020 Google Pay app is the face of Google Pay, not the "Buy with Google Pay" button. Even the official website for Google Pay makes no mention of the "Buy with Google Pay" button. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:55, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: Fine then. Google Pay is also a website. Can I make an article about that? AppGoo0011 (talk) 03:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

That's actually called the Google payments center, despite the URL. Peer-to-peer payments on the web app were gotten rid of a while ago. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: So you admit that Google mislabels things? Guess what also is technically Google Pay but also not? The GPay app. So it should go in a different article than Google Pay. ;) AppGoo0011 (talk) 03:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Google's brand strategy has always been confusing, I've never denied that. But think about it: if we were to create an article for every version of Google Pay currently available, we would have: Google Pay (2020 mobile app), Google Pay (2018 mobile app), Google Wallet, Buy with Google Pay, and Google payments center. I feel that would be overkill, what do you think? InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: Then don't make one. Put Google Pay the service (the one most people have access to) as the main article at Google Pay, and mention the Google Payments Center and GPay app there in their own sections, and keep Google Wallet where it is. If GPay expands to even one more country before it dies I will agree with you to put the GPay logos and app screenshot in the infobox. How about that?

It's possible that GPay could come to Japan, since they allegedly bought pring, a QR payment system in Japan. Though I don't think the deal went through. AppGoo0011 (talk) 03:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

You know what, how about we split this article into Google Pay (payment method) and Google Pay (mobile app)? Would you be open to that? InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:30, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: Okay :) AppGoo0011 (talk) 03:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm scrolling through the article, and much of it seems to be about the app. Which content should I move to Google Pay (payment method)? InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: It'd be easier to move section 2.3 to Google Pay (mobile app) and ask Google Pay to be renamed to Google Pay (payment method)

Most of the stuff there now will be getting moved to Google Wallet AppGoo0011 (talk) 03:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Please move the appropriate information to Google Wallet, then let me know. Because it wouldn't make sense to move this page to Google Pay (payment metod) and then leave a bunch of information about the old 2018 app. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: Done AppGoo0011 (talk) 03:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll make the moves shortly. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:55, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

The split is now done. Though I feel the Android Pay info should be moved to Google Pay (mobile app)? InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:11, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: Both Google Wallet and Android Pay had online payment services as well, and back then Google used the terminology "pay with Google Wallet" when using NFC payments in-store. Though back then Android Pay/Google Wallet (2011) could only be used online on Android devices. AppGoo0011 (talk) 04:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Break

Wait, what? I think I just got 10x more confused. This article is about the payment method. Android Pay was an app. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

There are three main timelines here:

• Google Wallet (2011) → Google Pay Send (2018)
• Android Pay (2015) → Google Pay (app, 2018) → Google Pay (app, 2020) and Google Wallet (2022)
• Google Pay (service, ???)

Do I have that right? InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: I'd advise looking at the opening post to the discussion again, I think it makes it more clear. Biggest issue is that Google has used the "Google Wallet" name too many times.

Google's online payment service is Pay with Google Checkout > Pay with Google Wallet > Pay with Android Pay > Pay with Google Pay. Started in 2013 as Google Checkout. AppGoo0011 (talk) 04:30, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be better to rename this Google Pay (2018 service) (to cover both the discontinued app and the surviving payment method) and the other article Google Pay (2020 service). InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Or actually, 2015, not 2018, since that us when Android Pay was launched. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:36, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: Nah I think it's fine. I'm updating all the related Wiki pages to have one history of all the apps. GPay is certainly a different app, not a service. Perhaps even a flowchart would be helpful. AppGoo0011 (talk) 04:37, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Android Pay was an app. It doesn't make sense for the payment method article to cover it as well. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

It's also not accurate to say that the Google Pay app was released in 2020. There was an app called Android Pay (2015) that was renamed Google Pay (2018) before it was replaced by Google Pay (2020). InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: It was both a payment service and an app. There was a time where you could press a "Pay with Google Wallet" button and the Android Pay UI would show up when it first released.

@InfiniteNexus: Google Pay (mobile app) is about the 2020 app. That's what we agreed to. AppGoo0011 (talk) 04:43, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Like I said, if this article is to cover both of the app and the service, then it should be renamed because it would be misleading. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:46, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Tytygh55: I am about to move the pages. Please respond within the next few minutes if you have any objections. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:55, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: Android Pay and Google Wallet (old) apps could have their own articles, as they are quite different

GPay is the most different out of all of Google's payment apps and should definitely have its own article

Google's online payments services have remained mostly the same so they could all belong in one article. Their terminology started being fused with NFC payments with 2011 Google Wallet so I think Checkout should remain seperate.

Google Pay (2018) and Google Wallet (2022) are mostly the same, so they should not be different articles. The only new feature Google Wallet will have is government ID storage, which only warrants a new heading under availability, not a new article. AppGoo0011 (talk) 04:55, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

If you scroll up, there was previously consensus to merge Android Pay and Google Wallet into Google Pay. That's Google Pay (2018). Now you're proposing to merge Google Pay (2018) with Google Wallet.

Okay. So to recap, we're moving the Android Pay and Google Pay (2018) info to Google Wallet, keeping the Google Pay (2020) info at Google Pay (mobile app), and then the rest stays here. Correct? InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: We're keeping Google Wallet, Google Pay (mobile app), and Google Pay (payment method). I will add more information to the "payment method" page to make it worth having its own article, based just off its NFC technology, like what Apple Pay already has. AppGoo0011 (talk) 05:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

That's fine with me, but I'm asking where the old Android Pay and 2018 Google Pay info should go. I think they should be merged into Wallet, since according to you they're basically the same app. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:09, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah okay then. Sure. @InfiniteNexus: AppGoo0011 (talk) 05:11, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Tytygh55: I notice you have started manually updating the links to Google Pay on various articles. You may find this user script helpful. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus

Turns out it wasn't a successor after all.

https://blog.google/products/google-pay/payment-apps-update/ AppGoo0011 (talk) 19:34, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

It was, but now it's getting axed. Another day, another Google product killed. To the graveyard. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)