Talk:Google Stadia

Requested move 7 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved by rough but clear consensus. Andrewa (talk) 05:39, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

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Google Stadia → Stadia – In previous RMs, editors argued that Stadia is not the primary topic of "stadia". After examining this claim, I do not believe this is true — and it has nothing to do with recentism. Of the seven articles listed at Stadia (disambiguation), only one is actually titled "Stadia", Stadia (Caria). Two articles, Stadium and Stadion (unit), have "stadia" down as the plural form. "Stadiums" is vastly more common than "stadia", and almost all major dictionaries list it before "stadia": [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] (the OED was the only outlier). Stadion (unit) and Stadia (Caria) are both stubs about ancient topics, so they are clearly not as notable. As for the remaining articles, Stadia mark, Stadiametric rangefinding, and Helsinki Polytechnic Stadia, all three are WP:PARTIAL title matches that can't even be abbreviated as "stadia" and should arguably be removed from the DAB page.

So, really, recentism doesn't come into play since there is nothing else that is commonly referred to as "stadia", and no one really says "stadia" when talking about sports (including us). Google Stadia has received more than double the pageviews received by the six other articles combined, and that is data since 2015, when Stadia did not exist. In addition to WP:CONCISE and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, this also solves the problem of "Google Stadia" being an incorrect name some publications made up. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Given that Stadia is a dead brand, it no longer will have increased PRIMARYTOPIC aspects over the other terms at the disambiguation page. Further, its still better known as "Google Stadia" even if the official product name is just Stadia Masem (t) 04:58, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

  As I have explained above at great length, it's not that Stadia is more notable than other notable uses of "stadia". It's that Stadia is the only notable use of "stadia". The rest are either partial title matches or non-notable stubs. Also, over a year after its death, it's still averaging 902 views per day. Just because a topic no longer exists doesn't affect its notability. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

  Terms that are redirected (like stadia being the plural of stadium) are fair game for equal share of what readers might be searching for. Masem (t) 05:04, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

  No one uses "stadia" as the plural form for "stadium". See the ngram I linked above. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:06, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

  Still, a discontinued service has little claim to fame as to winner of a PRIMARYTOPIC conflict. On the other hand, we have a clear natural disambiguation to avoid any conflicts. Masem (t) 21:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Like the previous discussions, I simply don't think that Stadia is such a far and away primary topic that it doesn't require natural disambiguation, or that Stadia is even the WP:COMMONNAME. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. OP's assertion that "nothing else that is commonly referred to as 'stadia'" is false; see Stadia. 162 etc. (talk) 17:38, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

  I spent the entire first paragraph of my nomination dissecting the seven articles on that disambiguation page... InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:26, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Primary topic concerns aside, "Google Stadia" appears to be common name for the product based on the references cited in the article. Jessintime (talk) 19:51, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

  Not really, if you perform a quick Google search:

  • NYT: Google said it would shutter the video game streaming service Stadia
  • WaPo: Google is shutting down Stadia, its cloud streaming service for video games
  • Reuters: Alphabet Inc's Google said on Thursday it would wind down its consumer gaming service, Stadia
  • AP: Google is closing the internal studio tasked with developing games for its Stadia cloud-gaming service
  • CNN: Google plans to shut down its cloud gaming service Stadia in January
  • WSJ: Google said it is shutting down Stadia, which launched in 2019
  • Bloomberg: Google said it will terminate services for Stadia, its troubled cloud gaming service
  • FT: It disclosed that it will shut down its Stadia games streaming service early next year
  • The Independent: Google has confirmed it will shut down its Stadia cloud gaming service early next year
  • BI: Less than three years after launching its cloud gaming service Stadia, Google is shutting it down
  • Time: Google said it will terminate services for Stadia, its troubled cloud gaming service
  • The Verge: Google is shutting down Stadia, its cloud gaming service
  • CNBC: Google is shuttering its digital gaming service Stadia, the latest ambitious project to get cut as the company looks to shed costs
  • Ars Technica: Google officially confirmed that it's killing Stadia, the company's troubled game-streaming service

  Perhaps I should have started with that, WP:COMMONNAME. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

  Similar requests like on Xbox Game Pass have failed. It at all, I imagine "Stadia (service)" might have a chance. IgelRM (talk) 14:27, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose stadia is the plural of stadion (unit) (or latinized as "stadium"), a unit of measure with historical long term significance. This dead platform does not have long term significance. The common name is "Google Stadia". The state of the article does not make it non-notable, only that people aren't putting in effort. The fact that the unit is commonly used and commonly appears in modern works that talk about sizes and distances of ancient structures and places, makes it a significant unit. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 20:46, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Clearly isn't the primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  This is the fifth request to move the page - if it was clear I don't think such a request would be made. Even with previous requests to move this page to Stadia (streaming service), it almost seems like complete disregard. This is like Apple iPhone which eventually got moved to iPhone.

  It's still crazy that the naming is based on third party sources more than what the actual company uses as their naming convention. I understand precision but it's Stadia, not Google Stadia. Just like many other video game consoles: Xbox (Microsoft Xbox), Wii (Nintendo Wii), GameCube even notes shortening the common name, or Dreamcast (Sega Dreamcast). The difference I notice is if the logo or advertising includes the company: Nintendo 64, Nintendo Switch, Sega Saturn, Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES), Nintendo Entertainment System (NES), or even GeForce Now if you want to compare streaming services.

  I would at least see a move to Stadia (streaming service) to be consistent and precise. – The Grid (talk) 16:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Or just "Stadia (service)" for concision. IceWelder [✉] 16:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Yes. I am not agreeing with Stadia as the primary topic but that a move to Stadia (whatever) seems to be the best option here. – The Grid (talk) 16:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Past consensus was not use a parenthetical disambiguator per WP:NATURAL. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  It's better than using Google Stadia and since stadia is a disambiguation page, we will forever loop this argument cycle. – The Grid (talk) 19:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as outlined in the previous RM. The common name for the service was "Google Stadia" not "Stadia" [11], even if it was officially called "Stadia".  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 20:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  The common name is "Stadia", as outlined by the list of sources above. Keep in mind that WP:HEADLINEs are not considered reliable sources; many of the sources linked in the previous RM only use "Google Stadia" in the headline, for SEO purposes. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:42, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, and almost all of the sources I listed for "Google Stadia" in that discussion are used in the body of the article...  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 21:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.