Talk:Gordie Howe hat trick

Hat trick

Ironically, it appears that Gordie Howe never actually had a Gordie Howe hat trick in any game. This is currently being researched by Liam McGuire in Ottawa but so far apparently he has been unable to find a Gordie Howe game which meets this criteria (goal, assist, won fight).

According to "The Myth of the Gordie Howe Hat Trick", Monday, April 10, 2006, Gordie Howe did earn a "Gordie Howe Hat Trick" on December 22, 1955 against Boston's Lionel Heinrich. See: http://www.640toronto.com/station/blog_jeff_marek.cfm?bid=74

And if you noticed he wasn't even the first to do it. That distinction goes to a guy named Harry Cameron . He fought a guy named Couture to go with a five point night, three of them goals, as the St. Pats beat les Habitants 7-6. 24.83.3.54 00:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. that got me wondering, how many players have had hat tricks and GH Hatters in the same game? 24.83.3.54 00:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh. What about fastest Gordie Howe hat trick? 24.83.3.54 03:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Currently, it says that Michael Cammalleri is the most recent person to complete one on December 16, 2010. There are two main problems with that. First of all, the source links to an article about a completely different game. Also, in the game he was actually on on that day, he didn't get the GHHT, as he an assist is a requirement, which he did not get. Moose paste inventor (talk) 02:24, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Gordie Howe, in fact, had only ONE Gordie Howe hat trick in his entire career and you do NOT need to win the fight you just need to be involved in one.

List Article?

I wonder, why can't we create a seperate article titled, List of National Hockey league players with Gordie Howe hat tricks ? Im new to this.

oops forgot to sign 24.83.3.54 00:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd be willing to help compile this, but it will require much research as most clubs don't officially record them. IrisKawling 15:24, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Latest person to get a Gordie Howe Hat Trick is Sean Couturier. He was playing for the Philadelphia Flyers in a 6-4 win over the New York Islanders on January 4th, 2018 at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.188.231 (talk) 16:11, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

The Roy hat-trick, the goaltender's equivalent?

I wonder if Patrick Roy or anyone else did this type of hat trick. Which entails goaltenders to: 1. Get into a fight (Roy gets a lot of them in his time, and he even alleged to instigate his son to do it).

2. Record an assist or a goal

3. Record a shut-out.TimHowardII (talk) 09:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Encyclopedic Importance

Honestly, from years of watching hockey, and NEVER hearing ANYONE say "Gordie Howe Hat Trick", I do not believe this has enough, if any importance to Hockey that would necessitate the existence of this stub. Secondly, this article's only reference depicts this "Gordie Howe hat trick" to be just a saying that was made up by an announcer or something, and has no actual pop cultural influence.

I'm nominating this for deletion. TheSpencer - Talk to me! 01:57, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm in agreement to the triviality of this. I can't believe that the Hockey News is really keeping track of it!! I'm not even someone who is against fighting in hockey. That's not my problem with it. It's certainly not encyclopedic and rather juvenile. I've never heard anyone use this expression before and can't take it seriously. BashBrannigan (talk) 07:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Please note that "I've never heard it" isn't a valid reason for deletion, nor is notability subjective. The fact is over 600 news stories and 19 books use the term. That is sufficient to make it notable, as defined by Wikipedia. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd be surprised if you've never heard it used, myself. The Calgary Flames media guide, for instance, lists when each player recorded a GHHT as a season highlight. It is known and used. Resolute 15:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess you learn something new everyday, although what you learn isn't necessarily good. I know hockey was sold in the US for the fighting, so I'd be inclined to think this was mostly an American term as I'd still NEVER heard of it. Nonetheless, if it's in newspapers and books, then I suppose it's notable. Sad, though. BashBrannigan (talk) 00:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

You would be surprised, actually. ESPN may sell hockey on the fighting, but the league itself has long been concerned with the apparent negative publicity fighting has given the game in the States. Especially back in the 70s and 80s when bench clearing brawls were relatively commonplace. Ultimately, the league's popularity suffered in the US such that it did not have a national US TV deal for many years until FOX's contract in the early 90s. Thus, rules like the instigator and the 10 game suspension for leaving the bench to fight. Resolute 14:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Resolute, I can remember coverage the NHL got back in the 60s on US networks, I think CBS, and then they were selling Bobby Hull instead of Dave Shultz. I'm not against fighting, just fighting as entertainment. I guess that's why the "Gordie Howe hat trick" stuff bothered me. Hockey is popular in the US where people play it. If the NHL wants to expand in the US it has to get parents putting their kids into hockey and most parents won't do that if they think the game is about fighting. As far as this specific topic, I'm still unconvinced it is really "encyclopedic". BashBrannigan (talk) 19:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick is VERY well know to people that know hockey. While not an official NHL stat it is something that well informed fans would know and certainly the player that it happens too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JDC161.136.102.59 (talk) 13:57, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Do you have to win the fight?

My understanding of the definition is simply a goal, an assist and a fight. I've never heard that you need to win the fight to have it count, and indeed the only reference for this article doesn't say anything about winning. phreakydancin (talk) 03:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I believe you are correct. Someone recently the change to say "and win" and I have now changed it back. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:50, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

It's not if you win or loose the fight as long as you're involved in one and at least get a five minute penalty...and that part shouldn't be a problem :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.51.107 (talk) 20:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Besides, "winning" the fight is subjective, not an official statistic, and not reflected in the box score. Drmikeh49 (talk) 23:18, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Article seems to be specific to the NHL

It specifies that Lucic of the Bruins was the last to achieve a Gordie Howe hat trick for example and does not limit this just to NHL games... (I am a sure at some level of ice hockey - somewhere else in the world - someone else achieved this fear more recently than Lucic 178.2.192.204 (talk) 06:53, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

All other leagues in the world frown upon fighting in the game of ice hockey, as it was was on the main reasons the International Ice Hockey Federation is fighting to keep the National Hockey League from expanding to Europe. Sorry for all of the links as I was bored Bazzledorf (talk) 18:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

It is grossly incorrect to claim that all other leagues frown on fighting. It is also curious to claim that the IIHF is "fighting" to prevent the NHL from expanding to Europe when the NHL has expressed no interest at all to do so. It is also all irrelevant to this discussion. The term "Gordie Howe Hat Trick" is pretty much only used in the context of the NHL and North American hockey, so it is logical that the topic would be NHL specific. At the same time, the last person to do so in the NHL is pretty trivial, and I'd say to simply remove the statement if you feel the need to do so. Resolute 19:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Pre-season?

Columbus Blue Jackets' defenseman James Wisniewski achieved the feat in a pre-season game against the Pittsburgh Penguins on September 15, 2013. Though it's not an official stat, does this qualify the Jackets for the "teams who have achieved the feat" paragraph? Nytebreid (talk) 00:59, 19 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.144.50.1 (talk)

Hmm, actually, I've gone and removed that entire paragraph. For one thing, teams do not complete an individual "achievement". For another, I think it decidedly unlikely that any team has not yet had a player record one, and since the list is completely unsourced, it seems better to leave it off. Thanks, Resolute 14:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be the Cameron hat trick?

Given that Cameron was the 'first person to achieve the hat trick,' and that he did so a full eight years before Howe was even born? <!//– ☠ ʇdɯ0ɹd ɥsɐq ☠ // user // talk // twitter //–> 23:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Whomever did it first, the term is pretty much exclusively known as the "Gordie Howe hat trick". We always follow the sources. Resolute 23:50, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Tyler Lewington just scored a Gordy Howe Hattrick in his second NHL game scoring his first NHL goal. Not sure why the edit was deleted. I’m watching the game.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.192.180 (talk) 01:47, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

This isn't a list of every single occurrence, and this isn't necessarily noteworthy. Additionally, the entry wasn't sourced, the date wasn't written properly, and Gordie Howe's name was spelled wrong. Echoedmyron (talk) 01:54, 30 December 2018 (UTC)