Talk:Gordon Bennett Cup (ballooning)

2006 Norwegian Airspace

I have removed the paragraph regarding the Norwegian airspace violations during the 2006 race for the following reasons:

1) There were no violations issued by the Norwegian authorities
2) Additional airspace issues (Finland) were not documented on the page while the Norwegian incident was documented.
3) Alleged issues from previous events were not documented.
4) I don't think the page should become an repository for all alleged violations that may (or may not) have occurred during the races, so as to satisfy points 2) and 3) above.

When the paragraph was added to the page during the event, I was concerned that it might be a bit off topic, but agreed to leave it at the time because of the news source cited and it's severity. However, because of my 4 points above, especially 1), my opinion is that it should be removed.
--SkinnyT 21:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

David Levin (1992 winner) linked to wrong Wikipedia biography

David Levin's name in the table of winners (1992) is linked to the biography of another David Levin in Wikipedia, who is not the pilot.

For a biography of David Levin the balloonist see:

http://www.gasballooning.org/Biographies/levin.htm

J. Huber

Resources

Just a scratchpad for folks interested in getting this list featured:

1. Telegraph
2. NY Times

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Comments

• The title itself strikes me as odd. I would have thought it would be Gordon Bennett Cup (ballooning). Is the current title the actual full name of the race, or is it just a different-than-normal method of disambiguation?
  • I thought so too. I've moved it to your suggested name and added a viable redirect for Coupe Aeronautique Gordon Bennett (it's French name). The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
• The lead could include things like the pilots with the most wins and the most frequent host countries. Also, don't forget to update it when this year's competition is over.
  • Have done, will do, it's still in full swing but I'm keeping my eyes on it all the time. Quite fascinating, I've got my fingers crossed that GBR3 keep going and the US team survive the thunderstorms they're in the middle of...! The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
• The History section could use more references, but you probably knew that already.
  • Indeed – I already had to ditch an un-RS so this section needs attention. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
• In History, I don't think the comma right after American needs to be there.
  • Gone. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
• "until the outbreak of the World War II." Don't think that needs to be in either.
  • Gone. 09:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
• Rules: Has any nation become the trophy's final holder? A couple have won three or more in a row since the mid-1980s.
  • Unknown. I'll keep digging, but I have found no evidence. The "final holder" is a little confusing since the competition will live on if the "final holder" wants to restart it and I guess that's happened every time... The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
• Bolding is discouraged in tables now; italics would work well here.
  • Gone. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:41, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Cheers Giants, much appreciated. I'll certainly be waiting for the race to finish before nominating so anything more would be great. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Pre-FLC run

• I believe cite 6 is doing alot more than just crew. If it is where you have times and distance from put it at the top of those headings too.
  • Agreed, and done. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
• Is it worth sorting crew (I'm think about saving you time here). If it is it should be by surname.
  •  Doing... I think I may as well because it's bound to come up if I don't! But agreed, I'm polishing up the old piped {{sortname}} template as we speak... The Rambling Man (talk) 12:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
  •  Done The Rambling Man (talk) 19:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
• For the doc and xls citations I'd tend to do a PDF type thing like this. Not sure if there is an official stance.
  • Interesting. This ought to be a fix for the {{cite web}} template really. Doing it manually is a bit hit-and-miss. I think I'm going to stick with format= until we resolve the issue at the template level. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
    • Way ahead of you. Went there now at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 134#External link icons proposal with my settings rendering things how had invisaged. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
      • That's a good thing. Let me know how it finishes. It ought to feed into all templates that use the format parameter, so we don't have to hand-craft it... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
        • Incase you care, it will have nothing to do with citations. It will automatically append any link with the relevent suffix like PDFs (http://example.pdf) do. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
          • YES, I care. My software background makes this instantly appealing. Good luck with the proposal. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
• I'd really like to know why it took until 83 to come back. Is this information around.
  • No, I can't seem to find anything yet, but the more publicity the latest "missing Americans" get, the more chance of more information. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
• I understand why but it seems strange denoting the years it was cancelled 98 and 07 to give continuous chronology but with little to emphasise the woping gap post at WWII. Maybe a greyed cell like 1940-82 | Event not held ?
  • Have added a colspan=7 note to that effect. Even used {{dtsh}} which I didn't know existed... The Rambling Man (talk) 12:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
• That record box seems to be the col-split previously and looks odd
  • Un-col-split. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
• File:Ward Tunte Van Orman (1894-1978).JPG. = eh-uh!
  • Yes, naughty me. Replaced with another image I found on Flickr and uploaded to Commons. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
• I'd use historic flags to Germany for 1907 and 1911 and, if I'm really being anal something that had never crossed my mind until now, shouldn't we also use United States of America for 1906, United States of America for 1909 and 1910, United States of America for 1913 until 1932 and then the normal 50 star version for the recent ones (although at that resolution in matters little).
  •  Doing... Yes, I agree, (not with you being anal, but) we should use the right flags. Will get onto that. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
• Not that it makes much difference but (for my interest) is there a reason to use {{flagicon}} then the name instead of {{flag}}
  • It was just as I found it. No reason either way. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Before I change it, can you confirm/deny that it'll blow sorting out of the water in that column? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
    • Shouldn't make any difference. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 19:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
      • Cool, experimented a bit, now done. Interesting that the early US flag resolves to "United States of America" while later flags become "USA". Bound to come up at FLC..! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
        • Um not sure I understand. It resolves to whatever is written. {{flag|USA}} USA or {{flag|United States}} United States Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
          • I'm talking about the flags you recommended for pre-1932. I haven't piped them or anything. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
          • Oh, crap, I think I get it. So if I make them all United States of America then I'll get the same thing. Just got a bit of a conflict between your early flag markup and the standard USA stuff. My apologies. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
            • Yes sorry about the confusion. It's because I was refering to Template:Country data United States at the time. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

That was a bit of a brief run and I haven't had time to properly read the prose yet. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 16:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for your comments RR, look forward to hearing anything else. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Please add the source

Please add the source for 'Heinsheimer attempted to gain the copyright over the name "Gordon Bennett" and run the event himself'.

A copyright dispute seems very unlikely to me: the sentence may refer to trademark rights. Also it says he attempted to run the event himself, whereas the sources earlier in the paragraph say that he did run the event himself.

Please refer to WP:BLP and delete or amend the phrases.

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Please look at the source at the end of the sentence. It states the following:

"Mr. Heinsheimer has filed a petition for copyright on the name Gordon Bennett. The BFA on behalf of the NAA and the FAI has opposed the granting of this copyright. That suit is still pending."

The same source then goes on to say:

"Following a decision by the United States Department of Commerce Patent and Trademark Office, the name GORDON BENNETT now is the exclusive property of the FAI. The right to organize a GORDON BENNETT CUP race may be granted by the FAI to any FAI member applying to organize such an event under the rules as printed in the 1980 CIA minutes and subsequently approved by the CASI and the General Conference."

The earlier statement says that he ran the competition "without FAI sanction". Please confirm this is sufficient. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

(The quote posted earlier was much shorter.) This is sufficient for the first phrase (though I think it is wrong). For the 2nd phrase, "without FAI sanction" is much more appropriate than "attempted ... to run the event". --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:02, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I've re-written the phrase, is it okay now (copyright/trademark error notwithstanding)? The Rambling Man (talk) 10:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Vertical column of images

I do not understand this edit restoring the long vertical column of images. The edit summary was "gallery undesirable and wasn't required at FLC". The layout in section "Official winners" now looks quite poor by wikipedia standards (large amount of vertical whitespace between key and table), is this intentional? It appears to me to have been overlooked in the promotion to FLC. If no space-saving gallery is desired, then should all the images be removed instead? -84user (talk) 12:26, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Update Ok, I now see the image problem was raised at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Gordon Bennett Cup (ballooning)/archive1, under "Resolved comments from bamse (talk) 20:40, 5 October 2010 (UTC)". The problem was "The images are all right-aligned on top of each other, but also above the table for me". I have reproduced this problem on Firefox 3.6.11 on Vista (default size), Opera 10.63 when the text font is slightly increased (by about 10 %) and Chromium 6.0.412.0 (47798) (default size). My conversion to galleries (here and here) was an attempt to fix this. Another way might be to force the images to the right side of the table using wrapping html table code, but the current method of allowing the images to "float" just does not work. -84user (talk) 12:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

These kind of floating images are prevalent among lists. If you can suggest a solution which doesn't use galleries (which are hideous) then that would be great. Cheers. The problem seems to manifest itself on low horizontal resolution only, e.g. on all the screens I use and all the browsers I use, I see no problem until I reduce the size of the browser down by a lot. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

How about this edit using rowspan to force images right? As to my system, it is an ordinary HP Pavillion desktop with 1680 wide display, using monobook skin when logged in (problem occurs when window gets narrower than 1163 pixels and also when logged out with Vector skin). I tested Firefox Portable 3.6.9 to eliminate any effect from my several plugins, and the images "disconnect" when the browser width gets smaller than 1352 pixels. Increasing zoom (for readers with poorer eyesight) makes the problem occur at progressively wider window widths. -84user (talk) 15:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

No, that destroys the sorting I'm afraid. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:15, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Table in a table from Help:Table#Mélange, despite the sorting warning, works when internal table is sortable. -84user (talk) 17:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Excellent! Now you just need to go through the other 1,912 featured lists! In all seriousness though, that's great, and something to point out to existing FLCs, especially if the appropriate markup is reasonably easy to implement (or the help is easy to understand!) Thanks for your patience and diligence. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Pending?

There's still a "pending" for the 2011 race. There's also no info on a 2012 race, although I didn't look to see if it's happened yet. Sven Manguard Wha? 01:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Both fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:38, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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Lede too long

The lede is currently between a third and a half of the length of the main article (if we discount the listings). Also much of it is not represented in the article, and ought to be transferred there. As this is a featured article, I am asking whether anybody would object if I made these changes. Valetude (talk) 11:09, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

The TROPHY

Judging by the photograph, it should be possible for someone to add some text to the article about the trophy itself, perhaps 2-3 sentences of description, info about what it's made of, who designed it, etc. (Whatever such info is available.) If this is done, please be sure to add the article to Category:Sports trophies as well. Thanks! Anomalous+0 (talk) 12:09, 29 April 2019 (UTC)