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Now I have established this new article. Some of materials in this new article were moved from Mongol invasions of Korea and Goryeo, probably reworded/restructured etc to fit in the new article. --Cartakes (talk) 14:52, 4 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

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Several of the additions made by Moto2moto2 (talk · contribs) are not substantiated in the existing sources or provided sources while deletions were made without any given reason per [1].

None of the below quotes are sourced or substantiated by the sources provided by the user:

E.g.

...strengthen his hold over the peninsula while maintaining alliance with Yuan.

...after splitting the Khitan wartime slaves with Mongols

urged infantry forces to ally with Mongol forces. Korea supplied 770 fully manned ships and 5,000 soldiers in 1274 and 900 ships and 10,000 soldiers in 1281 out of 40,000 troops forming the East Route Army (to be assisted by 100,000 Jiangnan Army auxiliaries consisting of Southern Chinese). Due to great storms, both invasions failed. During the periods leading up to and during the invasions, Happo effectively became a Mongol military base, but the troops all returned to Yuan by 1278, as Kublai declined Chungyeol's request to station Mongol troops there. was added while deleting two sources

To gain Kublai's acceptance and prevent further demands, Chungnyeol dressed in Mongol clothing... was changed to To gain Kublai's acceptance, Chungnyeol voluntarily dressed in Mongol clothing... without any reason or source - the change does not reflect the source which explicitly supports the original sentence per quote "To gain Qubilai’s acceptance and forestall even more onerous demands for materials and manpower, King Ch’ungnyŏl (r. 1298–1308) donned Mongol garb, cut his hair in the Mongol fashion, and acquiesced to Mongol demands to rename Koryŏ administrative bureaus to reflect their subordinate status within the empire." (Robinson 2009 p. 59)

These commissioners, while nominally subordinate to the Goryeo king, were routinely supplied with provisions and were actively involved in the affairs of the Goryeo court. was changed to These commissioners, while subordinate to the Goryeo king and served him with gifts and feasts which is deliberate misrepresentation of the source as the "nominal" is completely left out. And a source providing a quotation regarding the subordination of Goryeo to the commissioners was also deleted.

Furthermore, the kings of Goryeo held an important status within the Mongol imperial hierarchy, much like other important families of conquered or client states of the Mongol Empire (e.g. the Uyghurs, the Oirats, and Khongirad). was changed to Furthermore, the kings of Goryeo held an important status within the Mongol imperial hierarchy along with the other Mongol tribes (e.g. the Uyghurs, the Oirats, and Khongirad)., which makes no sense because the Uyghurs are not Mongols. This is deliberate falsification.

Korean women first entered the Mongol Empire as war booty. was deleted without reason. Per source quote about booty "The first waves of Koryŏ women into the Mongol empire arrived as captives seized during the bloody fighting of the mid-thirteenth century. These women were variously used as slaves, married to recently surrendered Southern Song soldiers, or distributed as war booty to Mongol warriors." (Robinson 2009 p. 52)

Almost 1,500 Korean women were noted as tribute in Yuan was changed to A total of almost 1,500 such women across almost 100 years were noted in Yuan - the source does not support the 100 years and specifically states per quote "Nearly 1,500 Koryŏ tribute women are noted in official Yuan and Koryŏ court annals." (Robinson 2009 p. 52)

The Mongols also extracted other tributes such as old, silver, cloth, grain, ginseng, and falcons from Goryeo. was changed to Like all the lands of the empire, the Mongols extracted local produce, such as silver, cloth, grain, ginseng, and falcons from Goryeo. which is not supported in the source, which does not say anything about other empires.

Internally, he also forbade his court and his descendants from letting Koreans infiltrate his court. is not substantiated in the source given.

throughout the mid-14th century and they reserved the right to call on Goryeo's military forces for their own campaigns. was deleted for no reason. It is supported in the source per quote "The Mongol court also reserved the right to mobilize Koryŏ military personnel for its own purposes and for campaigns of its own choosing." (Robinson 2009 p. 58)

Korean culture such as clothing also became popular among the elites of Khanbaliq during the 13th and early 14th centuries through the import of Korean women. Probably as a result of imperial patronage and its associated prestige, Korean fashions spread into the Jiangnan region, and even some degree of Korean language competence was heard of among the guards. was changed to Korean culture such as clothing also became popular among the elites of Khanbaliq during the 13th and early 14th centuries through Korean women. As a result of imperial patronage and its associated prestige, Korean fashions spread into the Jiangnan region, and even some degree of Korean language competence was heard of among the guards. with no reason given.

When the Yuan dynasty faced the Red Turban Rebellion in China and Toghon-Temür requested Goryeo troops in 1354 to quell it. was added without any source given. It is not supported by the existing source.

Many of the additions are only sourced to a primary source which is not how Wikipedia works per WP:PRIMARY, especially not historical subjects:

E.g. all of the following:

In 1289 the Liaodong famine instilled the Yuan court to ask for 100,000 piculs of Goryeo grain, and later repaid this in 1292 when Yuan sent 100,000 piculs of grain from the Jiangnan region for Goryeo's famine.

Conversely, Chunghye of Goryeo engaged in usury, lending money to Uyghurs.

In the 1278, Kublai repeatedly assured none of his troops will take civilians back to Yuan.

Külüg Khan acknowledged in 1310, that Goryeo is the only country in the empire with royal ancestors, and a people to rule while having a king.

Just because an article has existing primary sources does NOT justify the addition of others. Qiushufang (talk) 00:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

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