Talk:Gorzów Wielkopolski

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Gzornenplatz, could you possibly stop vandalising this page? Even your flawed criteria show that you are wrong - yet you revert. What sense does it have? [1] [2]. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 08:59, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

Try the short form (Gorzow) or else use the German long form too (Landsberg an der Warthe). Gzornenplatz 09:03, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

The short form refers to three different cities in Poland, that's why the adjective Wielkopolski is added. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 09:13, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

Same goes for Landsberg, that's why "an der Warthe" was added, as opposed to Landsberg in Ostpreussen (now Górowo Iławeckie). Gzornenplatz 09:16, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

So propose some convincing search terms that would include both Landsberg a/Warthe, Landsberg an der Warthe, Gorzow Wielkopolski, Gorzów Wielkopolski, Gorzow Wlkp., Gorzów Wielkopolski, Gorzów Wlkp., and all the other alternative names. But what would it change? The fact remains that you've been proven wrong. You won't admit it- that's for sure, but the fact is that either your search terms are wrong (that's what I think) or your general idea is wrong, at least in this context. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 09:29, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

Even if we combine both Górowo and Gorzów - the German name prevails: [3] + [4] = 20 [5] = 98. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 09:33, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

Apples and oranges again. Either compare long forms or short forms. Gorzow beats Landsberg and Gorzow Wielkopolski beats Landsberg an der Warthe. You have been proven wrong. Gzornenplatz 20:44, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

So, are there any other Landsbergs in Poland that could be confused? Or perhaps search for "Landsberg Polen" is inconclusive? Do you suggest that there is no place called Frankfurt in Germany and there is only "Frankfurt am Main" and "Frankfurt an der Oder"? You suggest that they are never called just "Frankfurt" for simplicity's sake? Or perhaps I got your arguments wrong again?

Also, if you insist on comparing all forms:

• "Landsberg Warthe Polen" - 5 + "Landsberg an der Warthe Polen" - 4 is still more than "Gorzow Wielkopolski Polen" - 5

So:

• short form "Landsberg" is used more commonly, regardless of whether it refers to Górowo or Gorzów
• both German full names of the city are more commonly used in German than the full Polish form

--[[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 23:22, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

Jesus Halibutt, you just can't admit when you're wrong, can you? You just keep up the apples and oranges searches. Why do you compare two versions of Landsberg/Warthe with one of Gorzow Wielkopolski? Then you should include the variation "Gorzow Wlkp." too, and the Polish version will be ahead again. Yes, short form Landsberg is more common than any long form, but the same goes for Gorzow. So compare Landsberg to Gorzow, or Landsberg an der Warthe to Gorzow Wielkopolski, or Landsberg an der Warthe|Landsberg Warthe to Gorzow Wielkopolski|Gorzow Wlkp! In all cases the Polish version is more common. Gzornenplatz 23:59, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

So, if "Gorzow Wlkp Polen" is the German language name then how do an average German read it? [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 05:16, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

Well, average Germans wouldn't know what "Wlkp" stands for so they would just read it "Wlkp". Gzornenplatz 05:38, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

Also, [6], [7], but you don't have to reply with arguments. It'd be easier to question my mentality or suggest I'm an idiot. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 05:27, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

Well, you prove the limits of your cognitive abilities pretty well yourself by again doing a bogus search that separates the word "Polen" from the name of the city! The correct searches are [8], [9] - 70 to 9 for the Polish names. Gzornenplatz 05:38, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

Removed text

The following text was removed from the page because to the best of my knowledge it is untrue:

Near Gorzów are located the biggest Polish oil fields, more than 210 milion barrels worth $8 bln at the current price. Kpjas

Well, after a little search I reintroduced the clause about the oil fields
Source: State Institute of Geology in Warsaw. Micga 23:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Gorzów damaged by fighting?

Regarding the part in the history section about the city being damaged in heavy fighting, I've spent a lot of time in the Gorzów library on Sikorskiego and in all of the books I've seen which actually refer to sources, there is no mention at all of any fighting. Unfortunately I'm on the other side of the world at the moment, so I can't go back and look at the books, but if anyone is actually there it might be a good idea to check it. The story as I read it is that an announcement was made by the SS on the 27th or 28th, stating that the Red Army was a significant distance away and that the citizens had no reason to panic. The SS and Wehrmacht left on the 28th-30th. Most inhabitants were trapped in the city because the roads were clogged, and the trains were already full of Germans from the east. Although I don't have access to the books anymore, I do have my notes from when I was researching this, and can give references to books and page numbers if necessary. All I'm really asking for is that we take out the sentence 'In early 1945 it was heavily damaged by fighting between the Wehrmacht and the Red Army.' It was certainly heavily damaged, but I haven't seen any evidence that this was as a result of fighting. If anyone has any evidence about this, I'd be happy to discuss it and see if we can get a definitive answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertbeaman (talk • contribs) 16:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

B-class review failed

This article does not meet B-class criteria, due to insufficient inline referencing (there are entire sections unreferenced). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:51, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Questionable Reference: Piast fortifications

I would like to raise the issue that the 3rd reference referring to the Piast fortifications, mentioned in the first sentence of the history section, is questionable. The book was published in Poland in the mid 70s, which fits perfectly with the Piast 'past' propaganda that was prevalent at the time, especially in respect to the 'recovered lands'. This is not a credible source for these kinds of statements in Wikipedia articles that have nationalist undertones. If a Piast connection does exist, there must surely be an adequate modern source for this. Globo (talk) 14:41, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

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Fiction

There is no way that lands this far west were ever ethnically Polish or part of Poland. This is pure invention. 2A00:23C4:B617:7D01:3D1A:4941:C69D:5C0C (talk) 09:57, 30 August 2023 (UTC)