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The Joker

Why are some editors putting Jeremiah Valeska as The Joker? As of the latest episode (84) on April 12, 2018, it has NOT been confirmed that Jeremiah Valeska is The Joker. — Lbtocth^talk 00:09, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Google "Jeremiah Valeska as The Joker", and you'll find your reliable sources. -- Alex^TW 00:20, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

No one put any reliable sources. And articles saying "might have revealed the Joker" are not reliable sources. This is falls under WP:CRYSTAL. — Lbtocth^talk 00:31, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

[1][2] -- Alex^TW 00:42, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

According to the archives of reliable sources, Cinema Blend is not a reliable source and it is only fan speculation on the article itself. comicbook.com is also only fan speculation as well via Twitter posts. — Lbtocth^talk 01:39, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

You are most welcome to do your own research. We're not here to serve. -- Alex^TW 01:56, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

As of right now, there are NO reliable sources. Jeremiah Valeska should NOT be labeled as The Joker until there are reliable sources. Enough of your personal attack directed at me. You don't need to answer my question if you do know want to. There are other editors. — Lbtocth^talk 02:12, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

I actually did want to answer it. Your personal opinion on the matter has been noted. -- Alex^TW 02:20, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

It is not a personal opinion when there are absolutely no reliable sources to confirm that Jeremiah Valeska is The Joker yet. On the episode, it was hinted that he is The Joker, but it was not actually confirmed. Hinted is not enough to actually confirm. — Lbtocth^talk 02:30, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

This also falls under WP:NOHURRY. — Lbtocth^talk 02:36, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

And is this based on what personally believe is reliable? Could I post more, and you would agree with them if they met WP:RS? -- Alex^TW 02:38, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

I am just going to wait for other editors to answer. — Lbtocth^talk 02:48, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Also, you are just contradicting yourself as you weren't one of the editors putting Jeremiah Valeska as The Joker. — Lbtocth^talk 02:56, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

So, because I wasn't putting the edits in, I'm not allowed to support the move or contribute to this discussion? -- Alex^TW 03:01, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

I never said that. As I said, I am waiting for other editors to answer. There are other editors on here. — Lbtocth^talk 03:13, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Be careful what you say on here. WP:BATTLEGROUND — Lbtocth^talk 07:19, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

It's alright, I can no longer contribute to this discussion due to previous restrictions that I am bound to, which I myself will be abiding by. Cheers, all the best. -- Alex^TW 07:55, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

I concur with Lbtocth. There are no reliable sources that definitively state that Jeremiah is the Joker. Let's just wait and see; if he does become the Joker, I doubt we'll have to wait long to find out for sure, and regardless, there's no reason to rush into something that might end up being incorrect. –Prototime (talk · contribs) 04:04, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

I also concur with Lbtocth. This article as well as the Joker article went through buttloads of nonsense because people were jumping the gun on Jerone being the Joker. That - as I and others predicted - was not the case. That determination was arrived at because no solid source stated definitively the identity of the Joker.

And let's not kid ourselves here: the Joker's identity has been unidentified for as long as Batman has been around - almost 80 years. An identity reveal is a big deal, and I can guarantee that someone citable would market the fvck out of it if it was definitive. Let's just wait, as we did last time. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 06:02, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

@Jack Sebastian: @Alex 21: @Prototime: @Lbtocth: Since I just had to correct this issue at Joker in other media, here are three sources right here: [3], [4], [5]. Not only is Jeremiah not the Joker, but Cameron Monaghan is playing a third character in the series finale. I have already seen Jeremiah fans try to lawyer around this off-wiki, but unless Jeremiah unambiguously transforms into the Joker on the show or the showrunners release a retraction, this is what we have to go with. DarkKnight2149 04:13, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

According to this interview that just dropped, the Joker himself won't appear on the show at all (although Jeremiah will undergo another transformation). Which, in my personal opinion, is unfortunate. I was hoping the Cameron Monaghan appearance in the series finale was going to be a cameo of the actual Joker. Oh well... DarkKnight2149 20:30, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Update: For those wondering, I went ahead and rewrote the section at Joker in other media. Before, it was just an amateurish play-by-play of every little thing Jerome and Jeremiah did in each episode, and didn't fit the Manual of Style. DarkKnight2149 23:16, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Season 5 is 13 episodes

I didn't know how to add the source to a page, but I wanted to include that Season 5 is only 13 episodes according to the video description for a recent teaser. Season Five teaser — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.9.81.181 (talk) 06:12, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

YouTube is not considered a reliable source. -- Alex^TW 06:14, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Cameron Monaghan should be added to Cast and Characters

I was surprised to not see this actor identified in the appropriate section of the page, while they were mentioned twice under the Awards area. Thank you. 74.110.57.66 (talk) 09:13, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Anthony Carrigan?

Five years on the show, appearing in all seasons as Victor Zsasz, not mentioned in the cast at all.

How come? 87.123.202.206 (talk) 14:54, 25 July 2022 (UTC)