Talk:Governance of England

England and Wales

"England ceased to exist as a sovereign state in its own right after 1284, when Wales was joined to England under the Statute of Rhuddlan to form the entity England and Wales." - this is quite a novel interpretation of what happened and not one ive encountered before. I fail to see how Wales being conquered by the English and annexed as part of England brings an end to England existing as a sovereign state. From what ive read i was under the impression that "England and Wales" was a rather new creation which was preceeded by simply by "England" (which of course included the conquered Wales). Can anyone shed any light on this? Because as it is the quoted statement seems illegitimate to me and il be changing it unless its justified. siarach 13:16, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The above interpretation is initself novel, after the Statute of Rhuddlan, England combined with Wales be it by force or not to form the country of England and Wales. Whilst the Crown and the "parliament" of the time continued to meet in England the decisions taken therin affected both England and Wales as an entity and not as seperate countries, therefore the seperate governments of England and Wales joined as one government. Its my interpretation that this means that there has been no seperate government of England as a nation state since the Statute of Rhuddlan. If people agree with this interpretaion I would ask that the disputed tag be removed. Hope my interpretation makes sense?! Fornost 08:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I also dispute the statement that devolution is not popular in England. A BBC News poll earlier this year showed 74% of people in favour of an English Parliament and an independent poll commissioned by the English Democrats Party showed a majority of people were in favour of and English Parliament. The poll gave a choice of English Parliament, English Votes on English Legislation and Status Quo. Those opting for English Parliament and English Votes combined was in the region of 60-70% proving that this statement is misleading. wonkotsane

Er...

"However a series of unelected regional assemblies have been elected..."

Yeah, that's a problem. Not sure what is meant exactly. --Jfruh (talk) 03:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

No regional government is elected in England - it is all appointed. To add to the previous comments, Wales being annexed to England made Wales a part of England. England continued to exist as a sovereign nation until the Act of Union 1707. The article should stay for two reasons - firstly, there used to be a government of England which means the article is a reference to a piece of history. Secondly, there will most likely be an English government again very soon and there doesn't seem much point in deleting this article only to start again. wonko 22:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, should have been clearer. When I said "that's a problem", I meant that there was a problem with the sentence. "a series of unelected regional assemblies have been elected..." The sentence asserts that the unelected assemblies have been elected. Clearly this is self-contradictory. I know that they weren't actually elected, I just don't know what the proper verb would be -- appointed? --Jfruh (talk) 15:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There has not been a government of England since 1707

Currently the article sates "There has not been a government of England since 1707 when the Kingdom of England ceased to exist as a sovereign state, as it merged with the Kingdom of Scotland to form the Kingdom of Great Britain." but the government of England before and after the union was the monarch's government and that has not changed, or is the meaning of government here defined differently? --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 16:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

It means that there is no English state. England is governed solely by the government of the United Kingdom. Whereas Scotland is governed jointly by the UK government and by the government of Scotland. Aridd (talk) 12:41, 6 March 2010 (UTC)