Talk:Grading systems by country

No citations under Indonesian section

The Indonesian section of the list does not possess citations; furthermore, the main article to which it is linked does not cite any sources. An inspection of the table and an attempt to locate information concerning the grading system utilised within Indonesia from an official governmental or journalistic source may remain necessary. SurenGrig07 (talk) 22:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Spanish qualifications are not accurated

In Spain, grades are usually referred as a decimal number between 0 and 10. Grades below 5 are a "Suspenso" (fail), including 4,99. Grades between 5 and 6,99 are an "Aprobado" (pass). Grades between 7 and 8,49 or 8,99 (depending on the University) are a "Notable" (Mention) and grades of 8,5 or 9 (depending on the University) until 10 are an "Excelente" or "Sobresaliente" (Outstanding). It's the decission of the department or the teacher to give a limited number (limited by the rules of the University) of "Matricula de Honor" (Honors) among those who got an "Excelente" grade, but it's not mandatory. Maybe someone got a 10 but the department decides no one deserves the "Matricula de honor" grade, or maybe 3 people get a 9 and all three get a "Matricula de Honor".

Llioncurt — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.165.160.149 (talk) 21:21, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Edit to Australia section is incorrect

A recent edit replaced:

Some other Australian universities have a marking system based on the Honours system used at Oxford and Cambridge:

with:

Some other Australian universities have a marking system based on the Honours system used by British Universities:

stating in the edit summary that:

All british universities use the Class Honours system, reference to Oxford & Cambridge wholly irrelevant

I strongly disagree with the implication that all British universities use the same system as Oxford and Cambridge Universities. In England an ordinary degree refers to a lower grade than an honours degree for the same body of course work. In Scotland an ordinary degree refers to a course that is one year shorter than an honours degree, without implication of a lower grade. The statement wouldn't become correct if replaced with just English universities either. The highest grade awarded at Manchester University in England is a first class honours. There are higher grades available at Oxford and Cambridge, as is described in this article.

I thus suggest a revision of this edit, possibly just a reversion. I am not familiar with Australian university grading systems, so I am not reverting it myself.

On a minor point in this edit, Oxford University uses an uppercase U for a specified institution, but British universities should use a lowercase u for the general term. The editor also inherited a punctuation error. The sentence in question shouldn't end with a colon. It could possibly end with a semi-colon, but the next clause would need to start with a lowercase "in schools ...". I consider them two different sentences so in my opinion, the sentence in question should end with a full stop (a "period" to Americans).

Thoughts? Australian assistance?
ChrisJBenson (talk) 05:59, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Hungarian grading system

Please correct the Hungarian grading system. The lowest passing percentage is 25, 30 or 40%, excluding the language subjects where it could be 60%. ĵ At most of the subjects the border of 3 grade is between 40 and 55%. Usually the nature subjects like physics or biology have a lower percenatge. On the final graduation exam the grading is the following (1-5): Mid level exam: 80–100% - jeles (5) 60–79% - jó (4) 40–59% - közepes (3) 25–39% - elégséges (2) 0–24% - elégtelen (1)

Advanced, high level exam: 60–100% - jeles (5) 47–59% - jó (4) 33–46% - közepes (3) 25–32% - elégséges (2) 0–24% - elégtelen (1) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.59.145.126 (talk) 08:12, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Common traits

All the school systems de facto share the tendency to use a grading scale from 0 to 10, which represents the following judgements:

• Excellent: from 8 to 10
• Sufficient: 6 and 7
• Insufficient: from 0 to 5.

--ElpJo84 (talk) 20:40, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

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Grading in Brazil

The section is full of inconsistencies or localized content

• no one i have spoken with (i work with people from all over brazil and the world) ever have been graded with the ABC scheme in Brazil, or know anyone who did
• each university hold its own entrance evaluation (called s.'vestibular' p.'vestibulares') or it can use the results of the national evaluation (the ENEM vestibular).
• students are graded from 0.0 (0) to 10.0 (100)
• each school defines its own minimum average grade the student must reach by year-end, usually between 5.0 (50) and 7.0 (70).
• If the student fails to reach the average, he might try an additional exam in order for him to reach that average.
  • some scholls allow students to take additional exams mid-year, so he can recover his grades earlier
  • there is no official names for these additional evaluations, and they might have different names between state, sometimes even between cities.
• if even after the additional exam(s) he still doesn't reach the minimum average, he will have to re-do the whole school year
  • some states do not allow teachers to fail students, and they may continue for the next year even he doesn't reach the minimum average

--Hagnat (talk) 19:25, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Lead too Short

I removed the lead too short tag, and added info the intro. This is a simple list and their is, I think, not much too say other than organization of the list, let me know if you think it needs more. Azurnwiki (talk) 23:56, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

There are two ways these "percentages" can be interpreted: as an absolute percentage of marks earned, or as a percentile of students ranked compared to one another. I have seen both used in the US. I suspect the British system is a ranking system, but this isn't clear in the article. I can update the US section, but I think this neads to be addressed in the lead. Edalton (talk) 20:35, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

"Apples and oranges" mess?

I tried to see what the UK school marks look like, in comparison to the German, French and Romanian ones. I.e. if they go from 1 to 5, 1 to 10, 1 to 100, insufficient to very good, whatever. What I found looked like smth. totally different, impossible to understand at a quick look (overly technical, insider language, lack of simple graphs or tables). What the heck? Don't they have marks in UK schools, only class medals/prizes, and they vary in a million ways from one type/level of school to another? ArmindenArminden (talk) 12:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

There is a further problem. There are two ways these "percentages" can be interpreted: as an absolute percentage of marks earned, or as a percentile of students ranked compared to one another. I have seen both used in the US. I suspect the British system is a ranking system, but this isn't clear in the article. I can update the US section, but I think this neads to be addressed in the lead. Edalton (talk) 20:34, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

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United Arab Emirates section

Needs amended. Currently it says "so bad country." 204.93.107.139 (talk) 00:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I've restored it to what it said previously. Leoprix (talk) 11:01, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Math subtracting fraction grade 7

Please teach us 102.144.162.191 (talk) 18:29, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 8 March 2023

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. EdJohnston (talk) 16:46, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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Grading systems by country → Academic grading systems by country – This article is specific to the subject of Grading in education and is not a WP:BROADCONCEPT article that takes into account other examples of Grade that use grading systems, such as Food grading. In effect, the title should reflect the actual scope of the article and not be worded in a way where it could be assumed the article contains more information than it does. Steel1943 (talk) 20:43, 8 March 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:02, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. I'd argue that the article title isn't ambiguous and isn't likely to become ambiguous in the future - is there going to be a "Food grading systems by country" article in the near future? Ever? Seems unlikely. It's not that food grading isn't important, it's that it's referred to in different ways - there isn't One Unified Standard of food grading, but rather it heavily varies by food type, hence articles like Butter grading. I don't think a broad concept article makes sense here - just a link to wikt:grade if desired for all the disparate meanings of the word, but there isn't really a unified encyclopedic topic that combines grades-as-slopes, grades-as-ratings, or grades-as-current-levels. SnowFire (talk) 05:14, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• Suppport. "Grading" is obviously ambiguous. It's most certainly not a term used only in education (or, indeed, in the food industry). However, I'd prefer Educational grading systems by country, as "academic" implies only higher education and the base article is Grading in education. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
  • But it isn't ambiguous on Wikipedia. No such article exists that is also titled anything like "Grading systems by country" currently (and, IMO, none is likely to in the future). At worst, this is cause for a simple hatnote on this article to the food grading article, and that should resolve any claimed ambiguity. SnowFire (talk) 16:40, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
    • That's irrelevant. If it was a proper name then I'd agree with you, but it isn't. It's an arbitrary title assigned to a concept. Grading redirects to Grade, not to Grading in education or Grading systems by country. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:38, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
      • The "Grading" redirect is fine and correct, I'm not arguing that, just that this specific article on a subtopic is not ambiguous. Or, at worst, ambiguous just with Food grading (nobody is ever going to make a Grading in the sense of slope-shaping by country), which is a TWODAB type situation. It sounds like we will have to agree to disagree on this, but I consider this quite relevant, and (at risk of OTHERSTUFFEXISTS) it happens rather frequently on Wikipedia. It's very common on Wikipedia for there to be "subtopic" articles where the main topic has a disambiguator, but there is no such disambiguator required for the subtopic. Sometimes this is perhaps non-controversial even to you if it's something like Geology of Mercury (nonsensical title for the god or the chemical element), but perhaps Mercury in fiction is a better example - how Mercury-the-god is treated in fiction is at least a sensible topic to talk about, but there isn't such a separate article currently, so this is at most an argument for a hatnote to Mercury_(mythology)#In_popular_culture (which I don't think is needed anyway). But I don't want to base my argument solely on this particular example; as noted before, this is very common and not problematic, and is policy-grounded in WP:CONCISE and avoiding pre-emptive disambiguation. SnowFire (talk) 17:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
        • The point is that "grading" is far too generic a term not to need further explanation. Our aim in article titles is to help our users find what they're looking for, not to be pedantic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Necrothesp: Ironically, Educational grading systems by country was the original title I proposed this article be moved. However, I changed after I noticed that most of the subtopics ... articles related to this one more specific by country ... start with "Academic grading in...". Steel1943 (talk) 17:33, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Move to Academic grading by country. More concise. Vpab15 (talk) 11:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose until any other grading article surfaces that has a claim on notability Red Slash 21:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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