Talk:Gran Hermano (Argentine TV series)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per discussion below, and per sources. -GTBacchus^(talk) 04:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

• The principal reason for the move is that the official and correct name of the program is "Gran Hermano", both names with capital letters. It can be stated in the official page of the program [1], where it's named in that way, but never as "Gran hermano". The article in Spanish also was moved to Gran hermano. That situation is also in discussion. --Daniel dj87 (talk) 22:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  • It is being discussed in Spanish at es:Discusión:Gran hermano (telerrealidad)#Mayúsculas en títulos. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose for the moment. This is English Wikipedia; The question is what the program is called in English. The official name has less bearing on this decision than you might think. All in all, no relevant reasons for the move have yet been presented. Andrewa (talk) 06:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, the name in English is also Gran Hermano, consult, for example, World of Big Brother, Argentina. I am not proposing an incorrect or illogical move, quite the contrary, only reverse -in the correct way- this move, done without any consensus and with totally refutable arguments (see discussion in the link cited above). Daniel dj87 (talk) 21:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

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Requested move 21 June 2018

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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the seasons as proposed and the series to Gran Hermano (Argentinian TV series) at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 17:15, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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• Gran Hermano Argentina → Gran Hermano (Argentina TV series)
• Gran Hermano Argentina (season 6) → Gran Hermano (Argentina season 6)
• Gran Hermano Argentina (season 7) → Gran Hermano (Argentina season 7)
• Gran Hermano Argentina (season 8) → Gran Hermano (Argentina season 8)
• Gran Hermano Argentina (season 9) → Gran Hermano (Argentina season 9)

– The show is referred to as Gran Hermano without the name of the country on air by the two different broadcasters (Telefe and América TV). Starting with the fourth season both broadcasters began to use years to individually name each season but the first three seasons were just called Gran Hermano. I'm proposing this move as part of an effort to align the naming convention guidelines of WP:BIGBRO with the established guidelines of WP:NCTV. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 06:41, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

• Support as per nom. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support per WP:NCTV OfficerAPC (talk) 16:14, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support as long as the title really is Gran Hermano and not Gran Hermano Argentina. This "Title_here x (Country_name_here)" stuff is just aberrant. We don't do that with any articles titles about anything, meanwhile we have a stable and site-wide TV convention of "Title_here (season X)", from which there is no reason to diverge in this case.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:25, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support per my original rationale. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:12, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
• Neutral, but CREATE REDIRECTS no matter what happens. Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:24, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
• Question, shouldn't the disambiguator be "(Argentinian TV series)"? Dekimasuよ! 01:48, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

• Actually, seems pretty clear cut: this would be consistent with Gran Hermano (Colombian TV series), Gran Hermano (Ecuadorian TV series), Secret Story (Peruvian TV series), Big Brother (Bulgarian TV series). If there are no objections I'll put the request through using Gran Hermano (Argentinian TV series). Dekimasuよ! 01:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

• @Dekimasu: I don't have any objections to that. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:23, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

• Didn't even notice it wasn't. Good catch. It should be Argentinian according to the naming conventions. --Gonnym (talk) 13:49, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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@Dekimasu:, the season articles should have been moved with the fixed version that was applied to the TV series article - Argentinian season x Gonnym (talk) 12:17, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gonnym, it isn't clear to me that's the case. Note Big Brother (Australian TV series) but Big Brother (Australia season 1), So You Think You Can Dance (Vietnamese TV series) but So You Think You Can Dance (Vietnam season 1), So You Think You Can Dance (Belgian and Dutch TV series) but So You Think You Can Dance (Belgium and the Netherlands, season 1), Dancing Stars (Austrian TV series) but Dancing Stars (Austria season 6), etc. Of course I would be happy to change this with consensus, but I believe the current titles are consistent with how most titles make this distinction. Dekimasuよ! 14:44, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

I see, well those aren't following WP:NCTV: If there are multiple shows of the same name, include the disambiguation, similar to the above for TV series in the season description, for example, "The Apprentice (U.S. season 1)" and "The Apprentice (UK series one)". - the "above" section mentioned refers to Prefix the country of broadcast (adjective) – (U.S. TV series), (Canadian TV series), (UK TV series).. But I don't mind opening another move discussion if that's whats needed. --Gonnym (talk) 20:31, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Done here - Talk:Gran Hermano (Argentina season 6)#Requested move 3 July 2018 --Gonnym (talk) 20:42, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

See my reply at the new move in regards to this. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:06, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 18 March 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jack Frost (talk) 14:14, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

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• Gran Hermano (Argentine TV series) → Gran Hermano (Argentine TV program)
• Gran Hermano (Colombian TV series) → Gran Hermano (Colombian TV program)
• Gran Hermano (Ecuadorian TV series) → Gran Hermano (Ecuadorian TV program)
• Gran Hermano (Spanish TV series) → Gran Hermano (Spanish TV program)
• Gran Hermano (American TV series) → Gran Hermano (American TV program)

– Per WP:NCTV#Non-series television: "Each episode of an on-going show usually is self-contained with little connection to other episodes, other than title, format, hosts, and other on-air personalities". It does not qualify as a "Series television" because they don't "feature recurring settings or characters, or express a unifying narrative theme" as they are not scripted shows.) (CC) Tbhotch^™ 21:24, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose as fundamental misunderstanding of WP:NCTV. Reality shows like Big Brother certainly are not "self-contained with little connection to other episodes" - the cast is generally consistent from episode to episode and there is a narrative order of presentation. Even non-scripted shows can be episodically presented in a narrative fashion due to editing. WP:NCTV#Series television applies as "made of episodes which may relate part of an unfolding story, feature recurring settings or characters, or express a unifying narrative theme". Check the archives of WT:NCTV for past discussions which resulted in reality competition shows being under "(TV series)". Speedy close. -- Netoholic @ 12:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Netoholic and discussion at Talk:Big_Brother_(Belgian_TV_series)#Requested_move_18_March_2021. 力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 16:53, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose: Netoholic has explained this very well, but none of the points made by the nominator are true: there is a consistent setting (the house), recurring characters (the people in the house stay for the duration of the season, or until they are voted out), there is a connection to other episodes (the interactions of the people in the house are followed over the course of the season, and often refer back to arguments, etc. in previous episodes), and the narrative theme is to follow their interactions and have a winner at the end. Richard3120 (talk) 14:19, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

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