Talk:Grand Theft Auto: Vice City/Archive 3

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Incorrect dates

"It debuted in North America on 29 October 2002, for the PlayStation 2 and was later ported to the Xbox and PC in 2001"

Ported before it was released? Plus the sentence structure is a bit iffy. Try moving the comma after "PlayStation 2" and correcting the dates. The Mysterious Gamer 23:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Mysterious Gamer (talk • contribs)

Changed the year back to what it should be, and also edittied the sentence so it reads more smoothly. That should take care of the problem. Silver Wind Wolf (talk) 15:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

RfD Discussion re: Redirects to this page

A number of redirects to this page are being discussed for deletion at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion#Back_Alley_Brawl. Please participate! Thanks. -- smurdah^{[citation needed]} 18:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Protection

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For recent vandalism edit Grand Theft Auto: Vice City witch are against rule of wikipedia policy Wikipedia:Vandalism ^{Snake bgd} 11:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Not done: Please use this page to request protection. Celestra (talk) 14:23, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

comadore 64 refrence

In the begging of the game it shows a clip of the c64 loading screen. Is this worth mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.217.163.72 (talk) 19:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

No, per WP:TRIVIA. --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 16:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

The opening screen very much resembles the old Commodore 64/Commodore Vic20 with datacassette drive loading screen from back in the 80's. I used to use both. 12.10.124.189 (talk) 06:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

If it can be established that this is what the creators meant (I hope I am making sense) then I think it is noteable. Lots42 (talk) 09:47, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Platforms?

In my hands I'm holding issue 200, from December 2009, of Game Informer magazine and in the Top 200 #98 "Grand Theft Auto Vice City" with sub-heading "PS3 360 2009". Any answers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.141.128.38 (talk) 23:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Ken Rosenburg-Paul Rosenburg

This probably isn't true, but Ken Rosenburg could be a spoof of Eminem's Record Manager (On Eminem's own record label.), Paul Rosenburg. http://www.eminemlab.com/eminembiography.html (Scroll way down to Shady Records) Like I said, it's probably unlikely. 66.60.210.32 (talk) 22:18, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Name of Cuban gang

The name for the Cuban gang is unknown at the time the game came out. Since the name "Los Cabrones" is never used in the game at all, should we not use that name to prevent confusion?--Spaceeinstein (talk) 19:02, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

If there's nothing official, then I say just say 'Cuban gang'. Lots42 (talk) 20:41, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

This has been "fixed".  :)   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 04:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Review of this Game

MAn on siude —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.110.209.189 (talk) 17:54, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

GTAVC_Skimmer.jpg

That's a terrible screenshot of gameplay in VC. That image shows a ground seaplane on land. Either remove it or get a better screenshot of it.--72.19.123.183 (talk) 04:36, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

The article looks good enough to be nominated for GA. Does anyone agree? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.227.246 (talk) 07:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

VICE CITY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.224.56.242 (talk) 19:01, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Official Soundtrack Box Set

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

There is consensus for the merge, the majority opinion is that the information is best placed on the games article. AlbinoFerret 15:48, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

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Video game cruft, largely unsourced article is not the subject of independent commentary. The few sources that I could find on the soundtrack/box set are enough to cover it adequately within its section of the game's article. And it can always expand out summary style. – czar 16:54, 27 September 2015 (UTC) – czar 16:54, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

• Merge The soundtrack basically includes existing hits from the 80s selected for the game which is probably why there are very few sources on it. It's possible to make a collapsible list of them in the soundtrack section. Brandmeister^talk 17:05, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
• Merge - per Czar's rationale. Sergecross73 msg me 20:35, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
• Merge - Seems non notable to me and it could be covered in the main article.
• Oppose - Covered in reliable third party sources.[1][2][3][4] The album's tracklisting would be unsuited to the game article, and can stand suitably alone. - hahnchen 17:00, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

As I responded to your other comment, is there any reason why these sources would not be adequately summarized in this article's soundtrack section and thus necessitate a separate article? The soundtrack reviews (the middle two links) are inextricably linked to the game, and the GameSpot and Billboard links are little more than a track listing and a passing mention, respectively. There is little need to repeat the radio tracklisting (though perhaps the official soundtrack tracklisting would be okay) in either this article or a standalone article. czar 17:11, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

It's a notable album and you can adequately summarise the sources in the article as it exists now without redirects. Instead of crunching it back into the parent to "expand summary style" (which feels like a lot of wasted effort), just expand it right now. If someone searches for the soundtrack box set, they expect an article on the soundtrack box set. The Gamespot article includes the phrase "this CD set is therefore notable", and Billboard indicates that the albums have sold tens of thousands of copies. - hahnchen 20:23, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose - I oppose the merge because there are songs in the game that didn't make it into the Box Set - i.e. "God Blessed Video" by Alkatrazz, "One Thing Leads To Another" by The Fixx, "Video Killed the Radio Star" by The Buggles, and a handful of other songs. I usually come to the GTA Vice City Soundtrack page as a reference and was sad to see it removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RockinCrystal (talk • contribs) 05:06, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
• Merge: Soundtrack list is unsourced and shouldn't stay. The remaining information is not enough for a full page. AdrianGamer (talk) 10:27, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Adding back full game music to a separate page

Here's an archived article, https://web.archive.org/web/20150714191052/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto:_Vice_City_soundtrack. For anyone that feels like making the effort. To link above soundtrack section. Cheers. Baseballfan (talk) 08:09, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Undid edit without any reason

Some guy Lordtobi just undid my edit without any reason, obviously the guy hasn't played the game, so he doesn't know what's in it.

I described stuff that was in the game, for example, the Scarface mansion El Fureidis (real life name) was in the game, and game's boats and cars were inspired from the 80s TV series Miami Vice.

• Wellcraft Scarab 38 KV
  • Game: http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/highspeed_1in.jpg
  • Real life: [5][6]
• Ferrari Testarossa
  • [7]

• Cheetah - 1986 Ferrari Testarossa

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudolph Davis (talk • contribs) 17:19, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

First of all, the anonymous user was not me, secondly, the edit you did were plain unsconstructive to the article. What you did was adding "(Ton'y Mansion El Fureidis)" and adding "(Cars, boats and yachts)" in italics. While you might be partially right, both edits are malformed and unsourced as well. If you actually tried to make a constructive edit, you should have tried to rephrase the sentence to sensefully put that information in (which you can still do). But in genereal, since the citations are missing since over three years now, the sentence might be reconstructed alltogether.

If you wish, discuss the names with me here and I will put them correctly, but next time you are reverted, please try to head to the talk page first to avoid edit warring and never argue in capital letters like you did in the revert of yours: "HAVE YOU NOT SEEN THE MOVIE SCARFACE ?".

Please not that, if something is up for discussion, it is discussed first and changed afterwards per BOLD, revert, discuss, which is why I will now also undo your latest changes. Sincerly, Lordtobi (✉) 17:59, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia Editors must not act in a manner that is disruptive in such a way, that they engage in edit warring. It is not constructive, and could lead to the possible likelihood of the editor(s) causing the trouble being disciplined by the site's admins. Please discuss matters regarding subjects in the Talk Pages, and do not give out argutive reasons, especially in CAPITOL LETTERS, as it sets a bad example to other users. Lordtobi is correct to point this out to you, Rudoph Davis. GUtt01 (talk) 03:48, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Digital-only releases

Because some games are only released in digital, it's best to be specific about them. I mean if you simply say "PS3" or "PS4" in the infobox, there's a chance that whoever reads it will go on a wild goose chase looking for the disc for either platform. Therefore it's best to be specific in these kind of things. 173.55.97.103 (talk) 14:20, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

There are a lot of games that only receive digital releases, but it's not our job to clarify this in the infobox; this can be done within the article. Regardless, PS3 and PS4 don't belong in the infobox as the game is only emulated on those platforms, which is prohibited per template documentation. – Rhain ☔ 14:26, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Download game to ps2 gta — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.168.26.41 (talk) 23:27, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Grand Theft Auto: Vice City/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Indrian (talk · contribs) 15:16, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

The Houser Brothers' tribute to the "grooviest era of crime" was an instant classic well worthy of being brought all the way to featured status, and I would be delighted to help this article along that journey. My last GA review took far too long, which I will do my best not to repeat. Its a long article, however, so it still may take a bit. Comments to follow in chunks as I have the opportunity to review sections of the article. Indrian (talk) 15:16, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Lead and Infobox

•  Done"The game's plot is based on multiple real-life events in Miami such as Cuban, Haitian and Biker gangs, the 1980s crack epidemic, the Mafioso drug lords of Miami and the dominance of glam metal" - Some of these are events, but most of them are not. A different noun or combination of nouns is required.
•  DoneIn addition to the influence of the real Miami, it might be nice to note some pf the prime fictional influences like Scarface and Miami Vice.
•  DoneThe lead feels a little short for an article of this size, and I am not sure it is quite comprehensive. Its probably okay for GA, but if you plan to go on to FA, I would perhaps beef it up with a few more sentences focused on the "Development" and "Controversies" sections.
•  DoneThe Infobox identifies Obbe Vermeij and Adam Fowler as the programmers for the game, but the credits list them as technical directors and identify a different man as the lead programmer. While, this may be a limitation of our infobox style guidelines, it would probably not be accurate to say that Vermeij or Fowler contributed much, if any, code to the project.
•  DoneSo genres are tricky with video games since they are not often very well defined, especially in more modern games, but the infobox lists the game as a "third-person shooter," while the lead does not. I am not sure that genre really applies, as even though the shooting in the game is done in the third person, it is really not the primary mechanic of the game. I'm not going to fail the article over whether this stays in or not, but perhaps it should be reconsidered?

Looking good so far. Moving on to round 2. Indrian (talk) 17:03, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Gameplay and Plot

• As a general note for this and other sections, the article often refers to "players." As this is a single-player game, using "player" makes more sense and avoids giving the impression that multiple players are sharing the game world at the same time. I am trying to correct these as I go, but do be mindful in case I miss any.
• Likewise, I have noticed several instances of the Queen's English ("armour," "recognise"). While the Housers and the blokes at DMA/Rockstar North are British, Rockstar and Take-Two are both American companies, so I guess its a tossup. I started changing these, but changed my mind and left them as they are since so many of the leading creators are British. This is not so much a critique as it is a comment on something that may come up during a peer review or FA.
•  DoneI don't believe the wanted levels are explained well, with the parentheses coming across as awkward and the "example" coming without a description of basic behavior. The article should convey the manner in which wanted levels increase and the nature of the change in AI behavior as the wanted level goes up (greater numbers, more advanced foes, etc.).
•  DoneRight now combat information is split between the beginning and end of the section, with auto aim and damage info up top and weapon information and first-person aiming at the bottom. The section should be rewritten to unify this info.
•  Done"In the process of finding leads, Tommy meets Ricardo Diaz (Luis Guzmán), who hires him." - Hires him for what?
•  Done"before reassuring Ken, who arrives and is shocked by events, that everything is fine." - This feels a little tacked on. Perhaps it could be reworked as its own sentence?

Thanks for that, Indrian. I tried to address your concerns. – Rhain ☔ 23:49, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Still working my way through. Here is the final round of comments. Indrian (talk) 16:43, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Development

•  Done"Core development began in early 2002, and lasted about nine months." - I am not sure what "core development" is supposed to mean in this context.
•  Done"Rockstar North began to develop Grand Theft Auto: Vice City in late 2001, around the time of Grand Theft Auto III's release. Core development began in early 2002, and lasted about nine months. After the development of the Windows version of Grand Theft Auto III, the development team discussed creating a mission pack for the game which would add new weapons, vehicles and missions. - Might be nice to vary the wording a little through here.
•  Done"The team was appealed by the challenge of creating the game's soundtrack" - When I do a review, I generally make grammatical tweaks myself unless I am unsure what the writer is attempting to convey. "Appealed" is definitely not the right verb here, but I'll leave it for you to choose a better one.
•  DoneI am not sure if this is the place to do this, or if another section would be better, but one interesting aspect to the voice acting is that they had a horrible experience with many of their stars, particularly Ray Liotta, which is why there have been few celebrity voices in subsequent GTA games. Jacked goes into sometime detail on this. I won't fail the article if this does not get in for the GA, but if this goes to FA it should definitely be included.

Commercial Performance

•  Done"It was the highest-selling game of 2002 in the United States, and had sold 5.97 million units by June 2004, and 8.20 million units by December 2007." - That seems like a lot pf phrases tacked on with ands for one sentence.
•  Done"The game's sound was awarded" - Awkward wording.

Legacy

•  DoneThis section seems awfully short for such a popular and influential title. If you could beef it up a little that would be nice. Again, for GA it probably does not need too much more, but it is well short of FA at the moment.

And that's finally it. Pretty small issues overall, so I will officially put this nomination  On hold while the rest of the issues are attended to. Indrian (talk) 16:43, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

@Indrian: Thanks again for your comments. Apologies for taking so long to respond; I wanted to wait until I knew I had some free time before addressing the larger issues. I've tried to address all of them; let me know if there's anything else. Thanks! – Rhain ☔ 05:48, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

@Rhain: Everything looks great. I notice that in the last day or so an anonymous editor has claimed certain elements of the plot summary are inaccurate. Its been way too long since I played the game for me to remember plot details, so I don't have any idea if he is right or not. It sounds like it may just be a problem of the anon looking for more detail and the summary being technically accurate, but before I promote this I just want to make sure there is no problem here. Just let me know. Indrian (talk) 17:05, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

@Indrian: Thanks for picking up on that; seems like it was a simple wording issue that got a little lost in translation during the article rewrite. I've corrected the inaccuracy. Thanks again for your review. – Rhain ☔ 20:35, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

@Rhain: Sorry for taking a bit to get back to this: I wanted to wait until I had the time to do one more copy edit. After making a few minor changes, I am satisfied the article meets the GA criteria. Well done! Indrian (talk) 16:21, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Music

Music soundtrack? not much about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:AA0C:2700:DC43:F374:8F3:B97A (talk) 17:45, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

See Sound_design_and_music_production section. There was an article on the soundtrack, but it was redirected there, because the soundtrack is essentially a collection of the already existing songs. Brandmeister^talk 20:03, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Spin-off?

Because the game is set in a city previously mentioned in the first game but its narrative doesn't seem to have a connection between the third game and fourth game, does it make this installment a spin-off? 172.250.44.165 (talk) 03:33, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

• None of the games are connected story-wise. Lordtobi (✉) 07:00, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Edeting

How can editing? Mriganka Reading (talk) 11:25, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Mriganka Reading, the article is currently locked for new accounts due to a high influx of vandalism. If you spotted a specific mistake or want to add a specific detail, please make an edit request instead. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 12:18, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

edit Mriganka Reading (talk) 07:50, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Mriganka Reading, please see our tutorial located at WP:TUTORIAL. Lordtobi (✉) 08:01, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Setting and characters sections

This section is an excerpt from Talk:Grand Theft Auto III/Archive 1 § Setting and Characters sections.[edit]

@General Clanker: I appreciate what you're trying to do by adding Settings and Characters sections to both this article and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, but neither article needs such sections. I'd like to break down each section and explain:

Setting

• The only information worth keeping in this section is the opening two sentences of III—the game takes place in Liberty City (based on NYC) and the city consists of three boroughs which become accessible throughout the narrative—and the tiny first sentence in Vice City. In both cases, this information is already discussed elsewhere.
• The information about the settings being used in later games is not relevant to this section, which is why it is mentioned in the Legacy section.
• The games taking place in the "3D universe" is irrelevant to the average reader, and adds very little to the information about the settings of the games.

Characters

• These entire sections mention one character each: the protagonist. The majority of the section focuses on development information.
• In fact, the section reads like a Development section: the majority of the sections just discuss development information (like why the team decided to make Claude mute). This information is much more suitable in the Story and characters subsection within Development, which is where it originally belonged.
• The listing of actors violates WP:GAMECRUFT. It's just unnecessary trivia.
• The Plot sections do a sufficient job at listing the most important characters and their context within the narrative at the same time. This Characters section is unnecessary.

I really wanted to avoid coming across as the owner of these articles, because that is most certainly untrue—Wikipedia is a collaboration, and I welcome all contributions. However, these particular contributions add nothing to the articles besides repetition and trivia. This information exists elsewhere in the articles, in locations where it fits more seamlessly, and I believe it should stay that way. I hope you understand. – Rhain ☔ 15:58, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2020

111.119.188.29 (talk) 06:31, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -- S.Hinakawa (talk) 06:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

"List of weapons in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect List of weapons in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 25#List of weapons in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Dominicmgm (talk) 18:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

"List of Weapons in Grand Theft Auto Vice City" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect List of Weapons in Grand Theft Auto Vice City. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 25#List of Weapons in Grand Theft Auto Vice City until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Dominicmgm (talk) 23:57, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Can it be?

Can it be mentioned on the page that Avery Carrington was killed in Liberty city stories by Tony Cipriani? --Celco85Celco85 (talk) 10:56, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Celco85: That's irrelevant to this game, so I don't think it warrants a mention. – Rhain ☔ 23:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Development time + one other thing

According to the New York Times the developmnet time was more than eighteen months. Can this be included? It also says apparently more than 50 people worked on the game.

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/27/style/bigger-bolder-faster-weirder.html Timur9008 (talk) 16:08, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done. – Rhain ☔ 00:57, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Screenshot of one of the ports of the game(Android)

Is it relevant to add this? Kabelo Lesooana (talk) 06:16, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kabelo Lesooana: What would the screenshot represent? – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 06:20, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Rhain Thomas Vercetti running while holding a shotgun Kabelo Lesooana (talk) 06:28, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kabelo Lesooana: I believe that would violate both WP:NFCC#3a and #8. Images should be encyclopedic; that sounds mostly decorative. I'd recommend reading MOS:VG#Screenshots and WP:NFCC. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 06:32, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Rhain okay Thanks Kabelo Lesooana (talk) 06:36, 27 December 2022 (UTC)