Talk:Grandfather Ivan (historical myth)

Drink water from the well - for "Serbian ruler" Konstantin Dragash

Information from the Turkish historian Hoca Sadeddin Efendi (1) in his chronicle Crown of Histories about the Bulgarian character of North Macedonia at the time of Constantine Deyan (2) 17th c.

Indeed, the Kyustendil ruler, known by the name of Constantine and famous for possessing extensive lands and spahis (warriors - editor's note), was the supreme ruler in the Bulgarian region and was in possession of the lands in which the Tala and Nakra mines were situated ...

(Yordan Ivanov (literary historian), The Bulgarians in Macedonia), Sofia, 1917, p. 162; the original is in Turkish

1. The author of travel notes 2. Constantine Deyan, ruler of the Velbuzhd principality in south-western Bulgaria, who became a Turkish vassal and died in 1394 in the war against the Wallachian chieftain Mircea I of Wallachia. Angel Angel 2 (talk) 01:49, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

So, you have no modern historians to support you claim? Everywhere in Wiki he is a Serbian prince.--Nicoljaus (talk) 05:11, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

You have already been blocked by vandalism. Once you have decided to impose these - continue in the same spirit. Apparently administrators tolerate such things. I do not want to get into a dispute after first removing and then posting. Apparently the property is yours. Angel Angel 2 (talk) 11:16, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Who is Thomas Palaiologos grandfather?

Ancestors of Grandfather Ivan (historical myth)
8. Vasily II of Moscow 4. Ivan III of Russia 9. Maria of Borovsk 2. Vasili III of Russia 10. Thomas Palaiologos 5. Sophia (Zoe) Palaiologina 11. Catherine Zaccaria 1. Ivan IV of Russia 12. Lev Borysevich Glinsky 6. Vasili Lvovich Glinsky 3. Elena Glinskaya 14. Stefan Jakšić 7. Ana Jakšić 15. Milica Belmužević