Talk:Greco-Roman world

Merge

I suppose that the term is chronological, like "Late Helladic," and is not justly subsumed under the article "Classical Antiquity" which in its present condition sounds awfully like a precis of the nachleben of classical antiquity. (Plutarch by Amyot or North is a Renaissance artifact; the Greek text is genuinely a staggering example of the fecundity of classical antiquity). If there is merit to the expanded information, and after the the dates have been given a second check, my suggestion is that it stand apart from the other. B.Ballon, who submitted the text, 31 October 2005

The only reason I can think of to not merge this with Classical antiquity would be if it might cause problems for disambiguation involving Greco-Roman wrestling. I don't think it would be that much of a problem tho. Caerwine 01:51, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

IMHO, 'Graeco-Roman' does not equate to 'Classical Antiquity'. The former is ethnic-specific, or at the least language-specific. The latter is more inclusive of the entire range of authors, ideas, and cultures that it is intended to represent from the Mediterranean region. (Anonymous)

The incorporation of "Greco-Roman" (an adjective form) would not limit "Classical Antiquity" in any way. Punic, Etruscan and Iberian contributions to the mainstream culture of Antiquity would not be affected. --Wetman 16:17, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Anonymous is right, according to my sources the Graeco-Roman period begins in mid-2nd century BC with the Roman occupation of Greece and ends with the rise of the Byzantine Empire. Basically 'Greco-Roman' refers to the civilization of the Roman Republic and Empire after its political "unity" with Greece. Greek civilization prior to Hellenistic and Classical times is never referred as Greco-Roman. Unless the author of this article provides some sources, I'll be forced to regard it as POV and make a complete rewrite. Miskin 09:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Greco Romanism did not begin in 146BC, with the Roman occupation of Greece, I find it exceedingly annoying that I need to give examples of Roman poetry, literature, sculpture, architecture and theatre, (which before the 1st century AD was simply copy of Greek) and so on influenced by Greece, these are obvious to anyone with even basic understanding of classical history.

While they relate to eachother, they are not synonymous. The Greco-Roman section ought to be expanded, and at its height, it would have too much information to be merged. At the moment, it might work, but for simplicity, just help to expand Greco-Roman.-Hairchrm 03:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to remove the tags. As per above there is at the very least doubt that the two terms are synonymous. Luwilt (talk) 00:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

In any case this article needs some serious tlc from an expert. It reads like it was written by someone with a very shallow understanding of the classical world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1011:B11B:3C25:F908:9B2:805:6915 (talk) 04:29, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Byzantine

I'm not a historian but I have seen the term Greco-Roman used as an alternative to Byzantine. In a literal sense, of course, Greco-Roman is actually a better term than Byzantine since the term Byzantine was a made-up word invented long after the the fall of the Empire and Greco-Roman actually refers to what the empire was, the Greak-speaking portion of the empire than survived the Germanic invasions.

Is it really universally accepted that the term does not refer to the post-fall-of-Rome period of the Empire? --Mcorazao 20:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

DA1, it is not kosher to insert an unsourced statement ("including Byzantine") right into the lede as was done here so I reverted it. If you can find WP:RS to source it, please do so, in the body of the article, before you add it to the lede. And can't just say this in the lede if you find 1 source, if, a disproportionate number of other sources disagree.

Please note that the #Merge section above, users (Caerwine, Wetman, Miskin, Hairchrm, Luwilt) are discussing plausibility of Classical Antiquity with the understanding that the periods are at least nearly coincident (i.e., doesn't include the Byzantine perio) --Kiyoweap (talk) 08:07, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Greco-Roman vs. Graeco-Roman

The text says "The Greco-Roman world, Greco-Roman culture, or the term Graeco-Roman when used as an adjective. . ."

The text here seems to be implying that the spelling Graeco-Roman is adjectival. However, all uses of Greco/Graeco-Roman that I can think of would be adjectival, including Greco-Roman world and Greco-Roman culture. Am I confused or not seeing something? If not, can someone fix the article, either to use Graeco-Roman consistently when used adjectivally or fix this awkward and misleading sentence?

74.250.14.193 (talk) 01:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

April fools

I'm removing the citation of a supposed work by Theresa Ferguson, entitled My Big Book of Things What I Have Dug Up and That and published by Nottingham University Press in 2009). I don't believe this book exists, as I can find no trace of it on any site other than wp or clones thereof. Curiously, this reference was added by a single-shot anonymous editor, 86.153.24.159, on 31 March 2009. Just in time for April 1st. AdeMiami (talk) 18:27, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes I think this would be the best solution. Maikolaser (talk) 15:30, 14 March 2012 (CET)

Removing "Cultural Spheres in Europe" OR map

File:Cultural spheres in Europe.jpg

I've removed File:Cultural spheres in Europe.jpg from this article (and Classical antiquity). The image seems to be entirely created from Original Research, and presents an overly simplified (and often inaccurate) view of the "cultural spheres" of Europe. The maps follow modern nation-state borders, lump Finland and the Baltic states in with their neighbours without explanation, and use fonts that seems more suited to a high-school project than an encyclopedia (using, for example, Д as A, and Σ as E), without adding much to the articles. I don't want to put the creator off making helpful diagrams in future, but if it is to be restored I would suggest that these "cultural spheres" are backed up with reliable sources on the Commons file page, the typography toned down, the file be made as a vector image (.svg) and "Islandia" (should be Iceland) corrected. ‑‑Yodin^T 18:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Changing the name of this article

Can this article's name be changed to simply 'Greco-Roman'? 'Greco-Roman world' does not lend itself/allow for linkages and/or use in other articles.--LJA123 (talk) 17:28, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Strongly support. Arminden (talk) 14:43, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Time frame (from-till): nothing!

It is a serious mistake to discuss a historical topic w/o indicating a time frame. This touches on the discussion above at "Byzantine", but is wider, as both the beginning and the end must be discussed, certainly with varying positions on both. Arminden (talk) 14:48, 3 February 2022 (UTC)