Talk:Greniera

Requested move 28 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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• Greniera (animal) → Greniera
• Greniera → ?

– no need to disambiguate. The hatnote in the fly article does the job Estopedist1 (talk) 13:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Note: Greniera titles a page with content and so it must also be dispositioned. If this request is granted, then Greniera may be deleted or moved to Greniera (disambiguation) and tagged with {{One other topic}} in accordance with WP:ONEOTHER. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 06:50, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose but move to Greniera (fly). "Greniera is" only hit is the plant. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:06, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi: strange comment. Only hit?! This genus of plants is synonym (see POWO [1] and genus of flies is an accepted genus per GBIF [2] and others--Estopedist1 (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Estopedist1, you could have {{db-g7}}'ed the dab page and then moved the article yourself. Though you can't do that any more as there's been an objection. – Uanfala (talk) 16:09, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth and Uanfala: please see user:In ictu oculi's comment and URL again. Does it really qualify as a valid objection? --Estopedist1 (talk) 05:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I see no reason to consider the oppose rationale invalid. A scientific synonym such as the plant genus, Greniera, is still a valid genus. I'm no scientist so I must fall back on what I know, which might be wrong; however, "car" and "automobile" are synonyms, and yet they are both valid names for what they represent. Are synonyms in science much different than that? P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 06:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

In ictu oculi often uses what is, in principle, a clever trick for fishing out sources on the web where the term in question is specifically defined. However, that trick fizzles here: the one result that comes up is one where the words Greniera and in belong to different phrases, so they don't show what In ictu may have expected them to show. And besides, a single result from a search is below the threshold of statistical noise. If I were the closer of this discussion, I would discount that !vote. And as a participant, I would probably support the proposal: the synonym for the plant genus appears to be long outdated, and virtually all results I saw on the first page of a Google Books search were for the fly genus. – Uanfala (talk) 10:10, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

• Support. A disambiguation page is not required. The fly is the primary topic; the synonym of Arenaria (plant) could be dealt with by a hatnote but only if that synonym were to be included in the Arenaria (plant) article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:39, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.