Talk:Grotesque (novel)

Complete English Translation ?

Is there anywhere to get an English translation that hasn't been censored by the idiots who published the redacted one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.13.242.12 (talk) 14:36, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

==There's been a lot of talk about the novel's end being changed from the original Japanese in the amazon.com reviews and now here. The plot summary says Yuriko's sister ends up as prostitute as well, which doesn't make sense since both Yuriko's and Kazue's dairies rebelled how rough and poorly paid prostitution is for average women. The novel had so much strong and explicit material that it doesn't make sense that the American edition would fear about publishing that ending. Author Natsuo was supposed to oppose that as well. I can read Spanish and the Spanish translation has the same ending as the English one. I compared different sections of the novel in both languages because maybe the translator only copied the English translation. But it does look that the Spanish translator did his job because some part of that translation don't match the English one.Avantel (talk) 05:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

• The translator of the spanish edition is Alfonso Barguñó Viana, according to amazon.es. If you click on his name (https://www.amazon.es/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_2?ie=UTF8&field-author=Alfonso+Barguñó+Viana&search-alias=stripbooks) you see that he probably translates not from the Japanese, but from English. Also the German edition is translated from the English. That means that both Spanish and German editions are not of any help to learn what part was censored. But the Italian edition was translated from the Japanese original by Gianluca Coci. One should look at the Italan edition for clarification. Thg (talk) 20:37, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

==I have a problem with a part of the summary plot, it says "The narrator hates her sister for reasons which remain more-or-less unclear throughout the novel and the writer leaves it to the reader to decide if the narrator's hatred is a product of jealousy or because Yuriko has turned to prostitution and disgraced the family name."

Whoever wrote that has a serious lack either of empathy or reading comprehension or both. The novel makes clear how bad both Yuriko's sister and her mom were made felt by being downgraded when being compared to Yuriko. It's even more appalling when women in the West have been strongly complaining for several decades about being judged by their appearance, but it seems some people never got that memo.

Next that same strange commentator says that maybe it was jealousy. That's a good match, but screws once again talking about disgracing the family's name. S/he apparently failed to assimilate Grotesque picture of Japan, which is in sharp contrast to the stereotypes. The novel made clear that the Hirata family had a low social status and their bonds were close to none. I will correct that part.Avantel (talk) 05:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

== All of the narrators in this book are unreliable. That's a major point of the book, the reader has to remember what each person said and compare it with the other narrators to arrive at some truth. Jimmyreno (talk) 00:38, 2 April 2010 (UTC)jimmyreno 1april 2010

==Yes, all narrators in Grotesque are unreliable, which means only more human-like and at the end still succeed to convey the misery of human nature and existence. After comparing all the versions the following points makes sense:

• Zhang, the Chinese immigrant was indeed involved with both Yuriko and Kazue. Knowing who was the real killer was not the point in this novel but to expose the mistreatment of women by men AND women as well. Other issues are also exposed such mistreatment for foreigners and maybe the suffering of the poor Chinese people as so well described by character Zhang.
• Almost nobody loved anyone. Even further, everybody and their lives were indeed grotesque.
• Yuriko was hated so much by her sister that their relation was only biological; therefore they never got to know the each other.
• Virtually everybody was alone.Avantel (talk) 05:12, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

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