Talk:Gulen

M. Fethullah Gulen

Fethullah Gulen is a Turkish influential Muslim intellectual who inspired a series of social activities, including a transnational education and business network, inter-faith dialogue forums, and multi-cultural encounters.

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Indeed he is a man for all seasons, M. Fethullah Gulen was born in the small village of Korucuk, in Erzurum Province, Eastern Turkey, in November 1938. His family tree is traced to a noble lineage. He comes from a long line of learned scholars. Born with an insatiable appetite for learning, Gulen received his first studies from his parents who were Muslim scholars and teachers. He has been from his earliest years a gifted Islamic scholar and thinker, and a creative writer and poet. Known by his simple and austere life style, M. Fethullah Gulen was a scholar of extraordinary proportions. His father taught him Arabic and initiated in him his profound love of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and his Companions. Later he continued his studies under the guidance of some of the most prominent Islamic scholars in Eastern Turkey. He received further training in the religious sciences from Mohamed Lutfi, a celebrated Muslim scholar and spiritual master. Fethullah Gulen so distinguished himself that he was asked to begin teaching when he was only fifteen. He did this while continuing his studies in the religious sciences. Blessed with extraordinary oratory skills, even at young age, Gulen was recognized as one of the more accomplished Islamic preachers in the early 1950s, mentioned in the same breath with some of the more learned scholars, many years his senior, in Eastern Anatolia. He has devoted his life trying to solve society's ills and spiritual sufferings. In Gulen‘s speeches and writings one encounters statements like man has come to a crossroads, one leads to despair, the other to salvation; may God give us the wisdom to make the right choice. He hints in his work methods in search of the truth. In his daily life, man must maintain that delicate balance between material and spiritual values, he emphasizes. Only then could man enjoy serenity and true happiness. Man must guard against unbridled greed. After all, he adds, is not the greed of man that has brought many a calamity to him throughout the history. Inequitably distributed wealth should be channeled through private charities to the needy. Gulen has lead the establishment of many charitable organizations to handle the welfare of the underprivileged. At a time when humanity is in a desperate need of leaders, we find a true innovator and a leader in the person of M. Fethullah Gulen. A unique social reformer, He has brilliantly synthesized the positive sciences with divinity, reconciling those apparent differences between the two. In his writings and oral presentations, he admirably brings closer the ideology and philosophies of East and West. With his acute perception, He feels the positive change in the spiritual climate in the world. Gulen envisions a 21st century in which we will experience the sprouting of a spiritual dynamics that will dust off the moral values that have remained inactive for quite a long time. Gulen attempts and successfully manages to bridge the past with his image of the future. His deep desire to find a solution for the dilemma society is faced today presents, in his writings, itself as a row of sentences set one after another like priceless pearls on a string. In his inimitable style and choice of vocabulary, which he exhibits so richly, he offers a formula for a way out of material quicksand in which humanity find itself today. As for getting others accept your ways, he tells us, the days of getting things done by brute force are over. How to make your voice reach out to the world and get people listen to you? It is through persuasion and the use of convincing arguments. Gulen retired from formal teaching studies in 1980 having inspired a whole generation of young students. Fethullah Gulen is profoundly learned in the religious sciences of Islam, but he also mastered the principles and theories of the social and physical sciences of this age. He knows Arabic and Persian. Currently, he is involved in the organization of meeting and conferences to prepare the humanity for the next century. He teaches spiritual enlightenment to a large of divinity graduate students under his private tutelage as his disciples. He, with his writings makes valuable contributions to a number of journals and magazines. Mr. Fethullah Gulen has written a number of well-known books, most of which are among the best seller in Turkey. And they have been translated into English such as The Infinite Light, Questions, Towards the Lost Paradise, and Truth through Colors. During his whole life-time, Fethullah Gülen has tried to voice the cries and laments of all Muslim peoples in particular and the whole of mankind in general, as well as their belief, hopes and aspirations. He is of the character that he can bear his own sorrows, but the sorrows arising from the calamities visiting people crush him. He feels each blow delivered at humanity to be delivered first at his own heart. He feels himself so deeply and inwardly connected to the whole creation that once he was quoted saying: “Whenever I see a leaf fall from its branch in autumn, I feel as much pain as if my arm was amputated.”

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.142.58 (talk) 03:02, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Farms

The number of farms (135) mentioned in the article are not the real number. 135 are the number of farm names, but for every farm name there can be an number of actual farms. btw should not the above text be removed. It has nothing to do with this article. Ovesen (talk) 21:02, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

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Requested move 4 September 2024

• Gulen → Gulen (municipality)
• Gulen (disambiguation) → Gulen

– There are seven entries listed upon the Gulen (disambiguation) page, with no indication that the Norwegian municipality (population 2,228) is renowned to the extent of overshadowing the combined notability of the remaining six entries. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:57, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• Agreed, there's little reason to believe that the average English reader associates the term strongly with the Norwegian place. The match to the Turkish terms technically isn't exact, but using diacriticless terms to look for topics named with diacritics is common. There's not a lot of reader traffic here so it's harder to judge usage, but WikiNav for Gulen also renders only the hatnote clicks.

I happen to remember having a similar discussion at Talk:Sola#Requested move 10 February 2023, and in the followup it became obvious that the previously presumed primary topic did not command anywhere close to significant reader interest. It's reasonable to assume the same will happen here. (Support) --Joy (talk) 07:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. The choice of "(municipality)" as a parenthetical qualifier is based upon its use in entries listed under Category:Municipalities in Norway by county — Alver (municipality), Bjørnafjorden (municipality), Hustadvika (municipality), Indre Østfold (municipality), Midt-Telemark (municipality), Nesbyen (municipality), Ringerike (municipality) or Sunnfjord (municipality), to name eight examples.

The naming, however, is inconsistent since there are also quite a few entries that use "Municipality" as part of the name — Evenes Municipality, Hamar Municipality, Holmestrand Municipality, Kvænangen Municipality, Lebesby Municipality, Senja Municipality, Sortland Municipality or Tønsberg Municipality, to name another eight examples.

Also, as pointed out in the above reference to a previous such nomination — Talk:Sola#Requested move 10 February 2023 — there are also municipality entries that simply use the form "Xxxxx, Norway" — Gol, Norway; Gran, Norway; Grue, Norway; Haram, Norway; Hol, Norway; Hole, Norway; Lom, Norway or Valle, Norway, to name a further eight examples.

Finally, there are municipality entries that use still another form, "Xxxxx, name of county or district", such as — Ås, Akershus; Frøya, Trøndelag; Grane, Nordland; Herøy, Møre og Romsdal; Nes, Akersh [this may well be an error, intended as Nes, Akershus, which redirects to it, but left with the last two letters missing]; Os, Innlandet; Sande, Møre og Romsdal or Vik, Sogn, as still additional eight examples.

Taking all these inconsistencies into account, I will post a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Norway in the hope of guidance. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Note: Announcement of this discussion appears at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Norway. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Gulen, Norway sounds the most natural to me, that's the WP:NCGN general standard. --Joy (talk) 08:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

It would be if Gulen (fjord) wasn't also in Norway. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Even still, a start-class article about a place of 2k people is probably of more interest to the average reader than a geographic feature stub. We preferred it as "Gulen" so far over the fjord, preferring it as "Gulen, Norway" is at least moving in the right direction as the hatnote could become much more helpful for readers looking for the fjord :) --Joy (talk) 14:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I would support either Gulen → Gulen (municipality) or Gulen → Gulen Municipality or, for that matter, Gulen → Gulen, Norway or Gulen → Gulen, Vestland, whichever of those options manages to achieve consensus. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. I agree that this article should be moved. I think you should move Gulen to Gulen Municipality. This is the same formatting used in the Norwegian Nynorsk wikipedia (nn:Gulen kommune) and it is the same formatting as all of the Swedish and Danish municipalities on the English wikipedia. There are many places such as Hamar and Hamar Municipality where you have a village or town article with the same name as a municipality, so something like Hamar, Norway would be ambiguous (although not the case with Gulen). I think moving to "Gulen Municipality" and this formatting would be best as a general formatting for all Norwegian municipalities.--Jay1279 (talk) 19:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)