Talk:Gustav Wagner

Removal of ref to Vatican officiers

A good stub but I felt the need to remove:

 with the help of some officiers of the Vatican

Can this be substantiated? What are Vatican officers (or officiers)? It just sounds a bit unlikely in its present form. ~ Veledan | Talk | c. 15:33, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes it can. See the page on Franz Stangl who escaped with Wagner with the help of catholic bishop Alois Hudal 94.169.30.141 (talk) 17:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

many questions, few answers

I don't think there's any denying he was an officer, although at what level is another question of debate. Rashke says (after much in-depth research) oberscharführer, yet in the film he is graded hauptscharführer. Also, if there were no selections, then how could there be people to escape at all? They would all have been killed! However, again according to Rashke, he didn't live under a false name. Who is right?

much drama, few facts

This stub is filled with errors. Wagner was not an SS officer, he was an enlisted man. There were no selections at Sobibór, it was an extermination facility. Wagner did not 'live happily and carefree' in Brazil, rather he lived in abject poverty and was shunned by most of the German expatriate community. This 'article' should be removed or entirely rewritten with some actual facts.

100% rewrite

I am doing a 100% rewrite of this page. I started May 13, 2009 and think by May 25 I should be done. If you got something you feel should be included, let me know on my talk page. Meishern (talk) 05:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Wagner's death: Assasination?

The line referring to Wagner's death, that he was found stabbed in the heart, presumed suicide, has assasination written all over it! Seems strange that a man would say 'I have no remorse' when interviewed a year after his discovery, and then commit suicide a year after that! Anybody: any further info on this?1812ahill (talk) 23:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

His lawyer is said to have said it was suicide. That said, stabbing one's self in the chest seems a clumsy way to go about it unless there were no tall buildings available to jump off of, no sleeping pills to overdose with, and no rope available to hang one's self with. Given his past I shouldn't think there would have been much concern regarding the possibility of a targeted killing. 2605:E000:CA45:AA00:4587:B301:787B:FD15 (talk) 05:36, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to Gustav Wagner; there seems to be consensus that this is the primary topic. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 23:46, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

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Gustav F. Wagner → Gustav Franz Wagner — This disambiguates Gustav Wagner, the Nazi mass murderer, from another "Gustav Wagner" in the Wikipedia, a bobsledder from Luxembourg. And just having the middle initial in there looks goofy in this case. Hoops gza (talk) 06:51, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

• Move to Gustav Wagner (war criminal). We do not add middle names or initials for disambiguation purposes if they were not used in actuality. -- Necrothesp (talk) 19:51, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  The page is now at Gustav Wagner (Nazi). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:11, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose. Put the mass murderer at Gustav Wagner per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, leave the bobsledder page at its current location, and delete the disambiguation page and use a hatnote per WP:TWODABS. —  AjaxSmack  18:29, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
• Agree with Ajax. His solution is elegant and simple, therefore simply better. Flamarande (talk) 01:33, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
• Also agree with Ajax. The war criminal is the clear primary topic. Jenks24 (talk) 13:22, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Copied from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Article_name

Hi all some thoughts on Gustav Wagner (Nazi) the article name was changed from Gustav Wagner (SS officer). Nazi seem POV and the article does claim he was an SS Oberscharführer. He very likely was a nazi but is it a suitable disambiguation for an encyclopaedia? Jim Sweeney (talk) 19:49, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

There's very few comparable figures disambiguated, it seems - skimming the categories, we seem to have one (politician) and one (National Socialist), and two (Nazi)s. (The depwp articles for those two use (KZ-Arzt) - which I think is "concentration camp officer" or the like - and (Politiker) - politician.) Whilst "Nazi" is accurate, it doesn't feel quite right for our purpose - we usually use "occupational" disambiguators rather than "affiliation" ones. Shimgray | talk | 20:00, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Gustav Franz Wagner is a redirect - we could us that name then it gets rid of Nazi/SS officer. Jim Sweeney (talk) 20:07, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

I'd use Gustav Wagner (SS officer). I'm no fan of WP's continual use of middle names for people not particularly known by them. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 22:55, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, avoiding "surplus" middle names is good. That said, my understanding is that we've been gradually phasing it out - it used to be more common to have full names, but we're now encouraging more use of parenthetical disambiguation. Shimgray | talk | 00:46, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Agree. SS Officer rather than Nazi. Not that changes the negative connotation however, but it does separate him from the non-military German members of the Nazi party. Bwmoll3 (talk) 05:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

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Jews?

It wasn't just jews killed, it was Soviet POW's as well. We mustn't let the jewish lobby re-write history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 08:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I believe some sources state that the Soviet POWs sent to Sobibor had been identified as being Jews and were sent there because they were Jewish. Perhaps someone with free time on their hands can do the research necessary to either confirm or debunk this. 2605:E000:CA45:AA00:4587:B301:787B:FD15 (talk) 05:29, 23 November 2017 (UTC)