Talk:Guts (flying disc game)

Flutterguts a.k.a. flutter Frisbee

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 – Articles were merged several years ago.

Isn't this the same thing as Flutter Frisbee? --Liface 03:53, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Should Flutterguts become a subsection of this article? --Superflyguy 2:01, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

The problem here is that no one even knows if the sports are the same thing. We need a disc sports expert to come in an help. --Liface 04:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Flutterguts and Guts frisbee are not the same game. Whether flutterguts should be on wikipedia and it's status as an independent article are open to debate. Until I either find adequate sources or conclude that it is unsourcable and propose it for deletion, however, I am asking where it should be located.

Guts frisbee involves two teams standing 15 meters appart throwing a disc in any manner that it does not turn upside down. Flutterguts involves two teams standing adjacent and attempting to catch a flipping frisbee. It is impossible to throw a disc so that it flys 15 meters while flipping end over end and never turns upside down. Certainly they are extremely similar, to the extent that a brief section could summarize the differences,` but the descriptions are mutually exclusive. --Superflyguy 19:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Flutterguts doesn't even require teams, it can be played 1-on-1 and is still loads of fun, Guts requires teams, they are very different however certain flipping skills are usefull in both games. Dan37205 , 29 June 2006

Virtually any team sport can be played one-on-one, and that's also true of guts. (Even ones like hockey and association football, with a stationary goaltender position, have two-player, turn-taking variants.) Many games of guts, as in dodgeball, end one-on-one after other players have been progressively eliminated. While I agree with the observations above about needing sources, the objection that flutterguts is distinct because it "can" be played one-on-one is no distinction at all.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  10:57, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

What do you mean where it should be located? Both articles exist right now. Take the merge templates off if they're not the same game. --Liface 17:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Guts and flutterguts are nothing alike, this merger request should be deleted. -- --ToastTheif

Do you have a source for either game? --Liface 05:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Wham-O

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 – Article renamed to avoid trademark issues.

Please note that FRISBEE is a registered mark of Wham-O, Inc. and change the title of this article to read "Guts" FRISBEE ®.

Thank you, Wham-O, Inc.

This is discouraged on Wikipedia, see WP:MOS-TM. Perhaps a rename to Guts (disc game) is in order? --Liface 04:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, and that may have been a point-making, trolling post by someone that does not actually work for Wham-O. At any rate, Guts (game) appears to be sufficient disambiguation.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  10:59, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Broken discs

Not about the time frame (article suggests 1960s), but discs still do sometimes break when caught. I have this on authority of the members of Katon, Japan's national team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.71.7.43 (talk) 12:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Even if the discs do sometimes break upon being caught I think it would still be 'unusual'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.39.94 (talk) 10:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I've seen a disc shatter once -- because it had been left in the sun so long. I find it hard to believe that a normal disc could "shatter" against someone's hand, though they do crack occasionally against hard surfaces. I was also at a tournament once when someone had managed to borrow a tennis speed gun. The max speeds we got, from memory, were around 120-130km/h, on both forehand and backhand. 125.236.197.192 (talk) 02:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

As a player back in the 70s and 80s, I can attest that it was not at all unusual for a disc to break during play (yes, when making contact with a players hand). Were these explosive events with hundreds of shards of plastic flying around? No. The external ring of the disc prevents this from happening, but the center would crack making it unusable (and dangerous). Wham-O sponsored tourneys and events, and dozens of cases of discs would be supplied as replacements for broken discs. Srigita (talk) 13:42, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

All of this anecdotal "I remember..." and "I asked so-and-so..." stuff is irrelevant to Wikipedia article editing, which requires reliable published sources.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  11:03, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Merge proposed

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 – Merged

Dodge disc, an unsourced stub, should be merged into Guts (game). There are no sources indicating any difference, and the description of "dodge disc", to the extent there is one at that article, matches the description of guts. This is clearly a case of an accidental POV fork due to the same game having multiple names.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  10:53, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I performed the merge, after a month of no-contest.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  17:27, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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