Talk:Guy Williams (actor)

Miscellaneous stuff from 2006

Keep the copyedit tag on this page untill you remove all the starting 'and's and clean up the grammar. Krashlandon (e) 21:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

how is it now ? --Zzzzzzus 15:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)zzzzzzus

Still bad. I will try to fix it up later today. For now, I will remove the tag. Have you thought about helping out with translating english articles into spanish? You can read english well enough to translate it. Krashlandon (e) 17:39, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Please do not edit this article while the in use tag is on. All edits other than mine will be reverted. Krashlandon (e) 18:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

It is done. If you add any more major sections, tell me so I can check them.

The English in this article is non-fluent and needs to be fixed. 88.241.12.65 22:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

On a more content-based level, I think there are some problems with the official story of Guy Williams and Zorro. Two main points:

First, although I'm certainly no fencing expert, I did take five or six years of it from Michael D'Asaro and others; and I really doubt that Guy Williams had any significant fencing instruction pre-Zorro at all. He simply doesn't fence like a fencer.

Mind, I think he's one of the best "action-actors" of the era; he plays the fight scenes magnificently, especially the first fight between Zorro and Carlos Murietta in the first-season episode "the Man With a Whip" (episode 31), which is one of the best choreographed fights on TV, right up there with Cavens' work in movies.

But Williams makes a lot of mistakes that no trained fencer would make (for example, his feet often move before his sword arm). I think the page should make clear that his official biography *claims* that he was a trained fencer, but there is no independent verification of either his own prowess or that of his father, Attilio Catalano (the story is that his father was a great fencing champion in Europe; yet I've been unable to find any reference whatsoever to him except on Guy Williams fan shrines).

Second, although the story put out by Disney and ABC was that "the show [Zorro] used real epees without protection," as this Wiki article states, in fact, (a) "real epees" always have protection -- they're made explicitly for fencing; (b) they didn't use epees anyway -- they used fencing sabers and mock cavalry sabers (for the grunts); and (c) in close-ups, the button on the tip of the saber is clearly visible. Fencing sabers are not made without buttons; you would have to physically cut it off. Nor are they made with real edges. They're for fencing, not fighting duels, for heaven's sake!

(The dueling swords used in 1820 would be "smallswords," and they look completely different from fencing sabers; I interviewed Britt Lomond a couple of years before his death, and he confirmed what I thought: they used the anachronistic fencing sabers because that style of fencing looked flashier on screen.)

This is a silly Hollywood PR claim and is patently false; nobody would use sharp swords for filming... it's preposterous. Besides, just look at the show; use that freezeframe!

(Can you tell that Zorro is my all-time favorite TV show? <g>)

Dafyddabhugh 15:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Disputed

Editors please cite sources for content on this page. There are many statements without sources, so please, if you have a source, cite it. Also, I am corecting a few POV statements in the article, but if anyone notices any more, please fix. Thanks. Imageboy1 01:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it seems that 99% of the "sources" are IMDB. I believe the current view of Wikipedia is that IMDB is not an acceptable source for citations. Should these be removed? 71.200.138.188 (talk) 17:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

YES. I had placed the unreliable template, but seeing that this issue was first raised FOUR YEARS AGO, it is well past time for that cleanup. Removing the IMDB cites per WP:IMDB. Additionally, all the references to Amazon.com are unreliable, as Amazon uses a number of sources of dubious reliability for their information, including IMDB.12.233.146.130 (talk) 00:46, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes photo is fair-use legal

14-Nov-2007: You might be wondering how such a real photo could possibly still be on Wikipedia: that top photo is described, within the article, as a "publicity photo" not an image identifying a person. The legal caption has been restored (after infobox was added):

Publicity photo of Guy Williams and June Lockhart
from 1965, for the sci-fi TV series  Lost in Space 
(note the silver spacesuits & red trim).

By treating and mentioned the image as a "publicity photo" (not just a picture of Guy Williams), the image meets the criteria for legal fair-use licensing. Few people understand fair-use licensing, so be sure the wording about a "publicity photo" is preserved. This concept could be quite difficult for some people to comprehend: the image is here as an example of a "publicity photo" not an image of Guy Williams. Comprende? -Wikid77 07:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Guy R. Williams? same name, different dude

why is this article not about Guy R Williams?[1] he was a Canadian senator of some significance, and since Guy Williams wasn't the original name of the current subject of this article i also think he should be listed under his birth name. i only found out recently that i am related to him at some point in my family history[an aunt of mine being his wife] and curiosity getting the better of me, i checked Wikipedia for him to find this article instead —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99bluefoxx (talk • contribs) 03:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

You're correct, that more than one person has had the name Guy Williams. However, Guy R. Williams should be listed under Guy R. Williams. This gentleman was known as Guy Williams from the moment he registered it as his stage name. That's a history of over 50 years. More than enough to be a "bonafide" Guy Williams. He was more well known than the Canadian Senator, even in Canada. So, I dispute this as a valid argument. The article clearly states his birth name, and cleary states the adoption of the stage name. -- |RevenantDeka (talk ... speak! ... 18:53, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Death

We're presenting "May 7" as if that was his unequivocally accurate date of death. But later we say The local police searched his apartment in Recoleta on May 7,[1] finding his body. He had suffered a brain aneurysm[1] a week before that day. That's saying he was found dead on May 7, having died some time in the previous week. Is there a more accurate cite that shows a more likely actual death date? -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 09:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

In fact his very cold and stiff body was discovered on Saturday May 6, hence a death date of May 7 is totally impossible. Last seen alive on April 30. Probably died that day or 1 May, but I've left it as between April 30 and May 6. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 10:15, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Photo

Even if the current photo is fine under Fair Use it's not an appropriate photo for the entry, as ideally it should be a photo of Williams, not a photo with a co-star in front of him.MrNeutronSF (talk) 09:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Name Convention

Parts of the article inconsistently list the subject as Williams, Guy Williams, and Armand. This should be standardized to avoid confusion as per articles on other actors who took on stage names.MrNeutronSF (talk) 09:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

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Argentinian partner

Work to be done about his romantic relationships in Argentina. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chvsanchez (talk • contribs) 22:03, 11 July 2017 (UTC)