Talk:Gwladys, Lady Delamere

C-class biography

Thanks to Johnsoniensis (talk · contribs) for giving this a C rating. I'm interested in helping getting it up to B. Does anyone have any ideas on how to achieve this? Thanks --Northernhenge (talk) 20:06, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Baroness or Lady?

In the quotations from sources at the end of the article, Gwladys is always referred to as "Lady". Debretts says "The wife of a baron is known as Lady". Baron#Style_of_address says: "Normally one refers to or addresses Baron [X] as Lord [X] and his wife as Lady [X]. Women who hold baronies in their own right may be styled as Baroness". There may very well be good reasons for using Baroness in this article though. Does anyone have any views/precedents/evidence on whether this article should refer to Gwladys as "Lady" or as "Baroness"? Thanks --Northernhenge (talk) 18:58, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

As I said, she was referred to as Lady Delamere. However, her formal title was Baroness Delamere. This is exactly the same as barons. Her husband was referred to as Lord Delamere, yet read the title and first line of his article: Hugh Cholmondeley, 3rd Baron Delamere. There is certainly an argument for renaming the article Gwladys Cholmondeley, Baroness Delamere, but whether we do that or not, the first line should read as it does, as that was her formal title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:31, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

There's a precedent here for Baroness. And another one here. --Northernhenge (talk) 19:45, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Exactly. Both formal documents that use her formal title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:36, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

The plot thickens, but I'm going to leave it now. "The wife of a marquess is a marchioness, of an earl a countess, of a viscount a viscountess. Use Lady at second and subsequent mentions. But the wife of a baron is always Lady at first and subsequent mentions." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1435299/Nobility-baronets-knightage.html --Northernhenge (talk) 19:55, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, just as a baron is always lord. That doesn't change the fact of their formal titles or Wikipedia naming conventions. What somebody's title actually is and how they are referred to are two entirely different things. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:37, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Clarification

An indication of a pronunciation of the name "Gwladys" is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.232.113 (talk) 12:22, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

It seems to be Welsh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.232.113 (talk) 12:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

I read in a book that it was pronounced the same as Gladys ("gladdis") but I couldn't find it again when I looked for it. I'll find it one day. --Northernhenge (talk) 01:23, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

The Juliet Barnes source listed in the references is one of many that refer to her as Gladys. Barnes even says: "Glwadys (as he [James Fox] gives her first name)" as though Fox gets it wrong. However the Tatler article from 1901 and the Hull Daily Mail from 1920 are both early examples of her being called Gwladys. --Northernhenge (talk) 21:24, 11 November 2018 (UTC)