Talk:Hüsker Dü

Power pop

Shouldn't the term "power pop" be used in the article, in relation to this group? Badagnani (talk) 16:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

(Apologies for archiving previously.) I'm not too sure. I've not found an external source (after a quick search) that says they're power pop. Do you have a source in particular that states this? (I know the band is in the List of power pop musicians, but it's not a common label that's applied to the band.) CloudNine (talk) 18:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks--I've always heard this term used in referring to the band by rock critics, going so far as to state that this band is one of the defining bands for the genre. Badagnani (talk) 22:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard them referred to as "power pop". "Punk pop" I've seen, but not "power pop". WesleyDodds (talk) 03:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Now you have. Same search, without umlauts. Badagnani (talk) 03:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Google searches are useless, because you need context, not to mention weeding out the reliable sources from the unreliable ones. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I beg to differ. I am a discerning editor; are you implying otherwise? Badagnani (talk) 03:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm just saying Google searches aren't enough. Even then, Husker Du isn't widely considered a power pop band, so there is no need to mention the term in the article. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:00, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't agree. They have been referred to as a power pop band for many years, as the sources show. Badagnani (talk) 04:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, most of the top results on those Google searches return particular songs (i.e. "'I Apologize' is a power pop classic"). The results that do say Husker Du are a power pop band are fairly unreliable. CloudNine (talk) 13:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

article/source/interview suggestion

As an editor at Crawdaddy!, and to comply with COI guidelines, I am not posting any information from this article, or the article itself. However, I would like to recommend it on its merits, and hope that an editor will find the time to examine this piece on Hüsker Dü and the Replacements, which was originally published in Q in 1987 and republished in Crawdaddy! in 2008, and incorporate it if they see fit. I appreciate your time. [1]
Asst. Editor, Crawdaddy! FenderRhodesScholar | Talk 23:49, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Legacy

I added the 90s punk band Jawbreaker to the list of influences under the "Legacy" section. Jawbreaker were obviously influenced by the Huskers, and in turn were heavily influential on the late 90s/early 2000s emo scene as Jawbreaker frontman Blake Schwarzenbach went on to form Jets to Brazil. I felt it was pertinent to include them because Jawbreaker's influence is arguably just as influential on late 90s music as Husker Dus was on early 90s alt rock, and Jawbreaker had a similar degree of mainstream success (that is to say, none) after signing to a major label as the Huskers did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bm5481 (talk • contribs) 13:34, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this? Or is it based on your own opinion? --IllaZilla (talk) 15:29, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, as an avid listener of both bands and of the bands that were listed here previously before the article was edited for expansion, it's pretty obvious in just listening that Husker Du had a huge influence on Jawbreaker, and frankly, I don't think there should be much of a question as to whether or not Jawbreaker should be included in a list of bands directly influenced by them. I mean, Nirvana was listed as part of Husker Du's legacy, and Jawbreaker toured with them. The only "source" I could find was a website comparing a Jawbreaker song and speculating whether it as a ripoff of a Husker Du song, so, obviously, I'm not the only one on Earth who has noticed the parallels. I'd say there's more of a parallel between Jawbreaker and Husker Du than My Bloody Valentine and Husker Du. [2] 68.83.40.254 (talk) 18:59, 25 November 2009 (UTC) Bm5481 (talk) 19:00, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but to make a substantive claim like "this artist influenced these other artists", you need more than just your opinion and an "it's pretty obvious in just listening". That's original research which is not acceptable for an encyclopedia. We need reliable sources to verify these claims, and that website doesn't look very reliable, more like a blog. --IllaZilla (talk) 19:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I changed to it 'one of the first bands to sign to a major', as the Replacements signed to Sire before Husker Du. (There are several factual inaccuracies in Azerrad's book in the chapters on Husker Du and the Replacements.) --Anon 31 May 2011

Post-hardcore

I am adding post-hardcore as a genre. I've found more than a single source backing this up:

• http://www.allmusic.com/album/new-day-rising-r9694/review "Hüsker Dü replaced concept with conciseness, concentrating on individual songs delivered as scalding post-hardcore pop"
• http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123786442&ft=1&f=122773665 "In 1979, Grant Hart formed the post-hardcore punk band Husker Du with Bob Mould, and became an underground icon in the decade that followed."
• http://www.mojo4music.com/blog/2010/02/husker_du_1.html "The post-hardcore power trio's best long player."
• http://www.allmusic.com/artist/bob-mould-p4968/biography "Hüsker Dü was a post-hardcore punk band that helped define the sound and ideals of alternative rock."

I know, I shouldn't be a little harsh/annoying with the genres, but, judging from what I've read, their music can't be only described as either "hardcore punk" or "post-punk". --186.87.18.30 (talk) 23:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

The context for those sources is referring to "music after hardcore", not the genre. Tellingly, Allmusic doesn't categorize them as post-hardcore in its genre sidebar. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Confusing / Conflicting Timeline?

The article states that Zen Arcade sold out it's first run and took months to restock while the band was on tour to support the record, but the next paragraph says they were recording New Day Rising at the time of the album's release. I'm kind of confused by the timeline suggested.

Did they finish recording all of New Day Rising before they went on tour to support Zen Arcade, which didn't start selling until they were touring? I feel like some clarification might be warranted.

108.21.3.168 (talk) 00:02, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Hüsker Dü discography

These two articles, in my opinion, should be merged together. An alternative might be to convert the discography article into a list. I dream of horses (T) @ 21:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

•  Disagree The discography is too extensive to be included in the main article in my opinion. If the discography was short, like those of Minor Threat, Cap'n Jazz or Deafheaven, I would've agreed. However in this case it is more beneficial to keep the it in a seperate article. -Myxomatosis57 (talk) 19:36, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
•  Disagree There's no reason to merge. Most music band pages have a separate discography page.10:31, 23 February 2014 (UTC)Dptalbot (talk)

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