Talk:h₂e-conjugation theory
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undue emphasis on Olivier Simon's work and possible conflict of interest
editThe section "Some new developments" states definitively that Simon's study "unifies the Hittite ḫi-conjugation with the Proto-Indo-European mainstream model". I've read the study and I don't think it does that. It posits a model for unifying them but that doesn't mean the problem has been solved, it's just one person's idea for how it might be solved. From what I can tell this work is self published and has not been cited elsewhere by any of the experts in this area, like Jasanoff or Kortlandt, who might offer an opinion on whether it's correct. There's also the fact that this text was added to the article by Mundialecter, who I'm fairly certain is Simon himself (he goes by this name on Reddit and other places online). Self publishing a work with a theory on solving a long standing problem in a field, then editing an article to claim the work has solved the problem, seems like a conflict of interest to me. Cyllel (talk) 21:24, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- I've been bold and removed the section Simon added. The more I read of his work the more I realize he is an enthusiastic dilettante. It is not appropriate for him to insert his own work here. --Cyllel (talk) 23:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi the dilettante does greet you :-). What I do regret is that you delete the reference to Kloekhorst's work. It's him who shows, in his PhD thesis, the identity between the Hittite H2e conjugation and a PIE unreduplicated perfect (stative) conjugation like *woidH2e (while Jasanoff is unable to explain this one and just treats it, in his 2003 book, as a latter development, though it's found in a lot of IE languages....). I only show (I list) tens of reduplicated (nearly exclusively) Vedic and Old Greek reduplicated perfects (with the famous -H2e endings) having a medio-passive meaning though their conjugation belongs to the regular set of active conjugations in their respective grammars. What matters is to understand how PIE worked and to analyse the available reconstructed material, not whether someone is famous or self-published... (by the way, Pr. Kortlandt himself self-publishes a lot) Mundialecter (talk) 11:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry for my dismissive language before, thank you for taking it in good humor. I'm not going to get into the details of the issue, the only important point is that this is an encyclopedia, not a forum for discussing or promoting personal theories. What matters for Wikipedia is not, in fact, understanding how PIE worked, what matters is citing reliable third party sources and avoiding conflicts of interest. --Cyllel (talk) 12:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi the dilettante does greet you :-). What I do regret is that you delete the reference to Kloekhorst's work. It's him who shows, in his PhD thesis, the identity between the Hittite H2e conjugation and a PIE unreduplicated perfect (stative) conjugation like *woidH2e (while Jasanoff is unable to explain this one and just treats it, in his 2003 book, as a latter development, though it's found in a lot of IE languages....). I only show (I list) tens of reduplicated (nearly exclusively) Vedic and Old Greek reduplicated perfects (with the famous -H2e endings) having a medio-passive meaning though their conjugation belongs to the regular set of active conjugations in their respective grammars. What matters is to understand how PIE worked and to analyse the available reconstructed material, not whether someone is famous or self-published... (by the way, Pr. Kortlandt himself self-publishes a lot) Mundialecter (talk) 11:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)