Talk:HMAS Canberra (L02)

Pennant number

Further information: [[:Talk:Canberra class landing helicopter dock#Pennant number switcheroo|Talk:Canberra class landing helicopter dock § Pennant number switcheroo]]

At the moment, there are different sources out there giving Canberra different pennant numbers: 'LHD 01' or 'LHD 02'. This article is using LHD 01, because this was the number used by the Department of Defence in a news release at the time of the ship's launch. Any change to the pennant number in the article should be accompanied by a government source (preferably Navy or Department/Minister of Defence) showing the change. -- saberwyn 01:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

The confusion comes from a public misunderstanding of what "LHD01" means. As I understand the situation, the LHD01 isn't the service pennant number, but a hull number or planning "pennant number" indicating that it is the first LHD platform. The designation is one that was used during the planning process before names and in-service pennant numbers were attached to a specific platform. Initial Navy capability planning didn't refer to "L02" or "Canberra" but LHD01.

If you search for "ACP113(AH)" you will find a PDF document of NATO and allied ship call signs (including RAN ships) at http://jcs.dtic.mil/j6/cceb/acps/acp113/ . It includes pennant numbers, and section B-12 on page 204 shows that L01 to L09 is reserved for Australian use, and that L01 is reserved for HMAS Adelaide (LHD02) and L02 is reserved for HMAS Canberra (LHD01) (and that L03 to L09 is unallocated). Information for this register comes from the DoD (the Australian co-ordinator has an @defence.gov.au email address), and note that D39, D41 and D42 are the correct numbers for the Hobart destroyers currently being built (http://www.navy.gov.au/Hobart_Class).

If that source isn't good enough then you could look at images of Canberra's launch at Ferrol. The stern is painted with an "02", so unless Navantia has made a major screw up (in front of senior RAN brass on an incredibly important occasion) they must know of, or were instructed on, something we are not. (It isn't a Navantia hull number BTW, the "Juan Carlos I" didn't have an "01", and Navantia Ferrol has made more than two hulls - http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae109/senalerojci/previos/080310-L-61-JC-1-194.jpg)

Canberra launch: http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6514/botaduracamberra073.jpg

What has happened (stupidly IMO) is that the pennant numbers are being conformed to those of the now retired FFGs the names were used on previously. Adelaide II was 01 and Canberra II was 02. Adelaide III is now 01, Canberra III is now 02. Just because there isn't a source on navy.gov.au or defence.gov.au is not a reason to ignore other (ligitimate) evidence.

113727b (talk) 17:32, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

The reason 'legitimate' sources are being 'ignored' is because of the confusion. At the moment, pages on the DOD and RAN websites are using "LHD 01" as the pennant number for Canberra. Jane's Navy International said that switching the pennants to correspond to the old frigates was planned (From my recollection, later articles either continued the Canberra 01 association or did not mention numbers at all). Australian Warship claims that the numbers were switched, then un-switched, then were or will be re-switched. Although photos of the launch of Canberra show 02 on the stern corners, the RANMedia's video of the launching ceremony very jarringly cuts away before showing them around 00:29-31. The NATO call sign document you supplied is dated September 2008, and may be out of date. Becasue of all this, the consensus at the ship class article is to follow what publicly available RAN materials specify the pennant number to be: if they change, we change. -- saberwyn 23:16, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Not sure if the ADF is confuced or have changed their mind but a recent article by the Australian Defence Force has named NUSHIP Canberra as LHD01?!? - Australian Defence Magazine Vol.20 No9. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 09:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

My personal understanding of this mess (as of this post, its been very messy and interchangeable) is that the hull construction has been identified as "LHD01", while Canberra will be commissioned as "HMAS Canberra (LHD 02)" (and vice versa for Adelaide). Navy News Volume 55, No. 16, August 30, 2012 page 5 alludes to it, but hopefully, one day, if the gods are kind to us, the ADF will provide some reliable, published sources making clear 1) that, and 2) why, they decided on the "Lets use the FFG pennant numbers even though its backwards to the construction order" plan. -- saberwyn 10:32, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Potential pagemove

See Talk:HMAS Adelaide (LHD 02)#Requested move. -- saberwyn 10:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Photos HMAS Canberra

Photos HMAS Canberra in Spain -> http://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punta_Langosteira — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemigo (talk • contribs) 13:47, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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