Talk:HMAS Perth (D29)/GA1

GA Review

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch

Reviewer: Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs) 04:23, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

This article is in good shape. I have a few comments:

• "and the Crete" or "and the island of Crete"
• "Syria-Lebanon Campaign, bombarding Vichy French targets"
  • I don't understand your point here.

  I suggest dropping "and" and replacing it with a comma, as the last part of the sentence isn't in addition to the first part, it just provides detail. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:30, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

  As a retired forward observer, I think of these as two different missions. One needing an off-ship observer and the other one not.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• The ship remained on these sorts of tasks→The ship continued to perform these tasks
• link Dutch East Indies
• but was torpedoed
• suggest "The design of the Leander-class cruisers was adapted for the 1932–1933 Naval Programme to separate their propulsion machinery into independent units"
• the crew numbers don't match between the infobox and body, I see this is the Australian complement, but don't we usually go with "as completed"
• were the secondary guns fitted with gunshields or were they open mounts?
• I assume the TTs were on the deck?
  • Perhaps a detail best saved for the class article?

  Personally I don't understand why we would leave that out of the ship article, as it begs the question. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:30, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

  I've added above-water as I think that that's what you were looking for.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• Amphion was commissioned?
• suggest "and Perth wasas the last"
  • Thought that I'd dropped that already :-(
• suggest "Most of the ship's company had departed Australia" as this is past tense
• suggest "Perth was refitted inat Sydney's"
• suggest "the ship escorted a convoy from Malta to Alexandria as well asalong with other elements" if that is what is meant?
• "was damaged by a near-miss" of an aircraft bomb?
• perhaps say where Tripoli was located, in Italian Libya, and link
• suggest "with Perth suffering several near-misses"
• suggest "which exploded in the forward boiler room shortly before 10:00. Four of her sailors and nine of the 1,188 embarked soldiers were killed."
• not sure about the comma in "high-angle, fire-control computer"
• minefield is linked to a dab page
  • It contains the definition needed.

  It doesn't meet one of the exceptions listed at WP:FURTHERDAB though. Perhaps there should be a page for naval minefield, or we should like to the naval mine page? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:30, 18 August 2019

(UTC)

• That policy seems rather silly if the disambiguation page actually contains the definition needed unless they're trying to force a link to wikitionary or something. Removed the link.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• suggest "and bombarded Vichy facilities through to the end" "through the end" is an American English truncation
• relived→relieved
• "after a fire that melted"
• "and the cargo vessel 's Jacob"
  • Dutch ship name, properly rendered
• state what sort of ships Swartenhondt and Karsik were
  • Source doesn't specify
• state where the Sunda Strait is
• "and the destroyers Jupiter" to make it clear they were also British
• "Both destroyer squadron flagships" if that is what is meant?
  • they're the only type of squadron flagships mentioned

  They could be the flagships of the cruiser squadrons. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:30, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

  There aren't any cruiser squadrons involved, only a pair of heavy cruisers.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• suggest "while all of the torpedoes"
• "sink the crippled ship"
• "The Allies believed that the Sunda Strait"
• "cruisers at 22:59 and intended"?
• "Waller's ships" but wasn't there only Perth and Houston?
  • Waller was senior officer present, clarified at the beginning of the section
• "and wounded 15"
• it isn't clear why Hatakaze could not fire. Could you expand on this?
  • The sources aren't clear either other than to specify the water plumes of the near misses. There are some hints of cowardice on the part of her captain.
• "and that explosives haved been used"
• to avoid further deteriorating→to avoid further deterioration of
• The wreck was surveyed by
• haved all been removed
• as hasd almost
• "ARKENAS
  • Spelled out a couple of sentences earlier

  No, I mean this sentence is in quotes and isn't attributed to anyone. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:30, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

  It's covered by the immediately following cite.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• consider adding to the Legacy section that Waller was honoured by the naming of HMAS Waller (SSG 75)
• suggest using PD-AustraliaGov for File:HMAS Perth (AWM 301166).jpg, File:HMAS Perth - men astride gun turret, 1941.jpg
• File:.50 Vickers AA guns on HMAS Perth.jpeg, and File:StateLibQld 1 139266 Perth (ship).jpg, File:HMASPerth1942.jpg, File:Perth from Gloucester during the Battle of Matapan.jpg, File:Perth in February 1942.jpg need a US tag, some of these from the AWM could just use PD-AustraliaGov
  • I switched all the AWM photos to the AustraliaGov tag, but I have no idea what to do with the other ones as there's no publication or author information.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:14, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

  They'll probably have to go then. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:30, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

  Done.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• on the talk page there is a query about Perth being the last cruiser acquired by the RAN
• Earwig is on the blink, but I doubt there are any copyvio issues

  Checked now, no issues. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:30, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

That's me done, placing on hold for the above to be addressed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:06, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your thorough review. A couple of points need to be clarified.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:14, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

No worries, just a few comments above. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:30, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

This article is well-written, verifiable using reliable sources, covers the subject well, is neutral and stable, contains no plagiarism, and is illustrated by appropriately licensed images with appropriate captions. Passing. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:49, 21 August 2019 (UTC)