Talk:HMS Emerald (1795)/GA1

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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 15:12, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I'll get to this shortly.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:12, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

• No DABs, one dead external link.
  • Run the external link tool in the GA Toolbox to see which one.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:35, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

    I have searched the French National Archives but as yet have not found a replacement. User:Acad Ronin seems to think they have had a problem with hacking and the website won't be operational again until 2016. However, providing the document is cited correctly, a link to a digital copy of the document, is not, strictly speaking, required. The question remains though, whether to delete the link or not.--Ykraps (talk) 12:34, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

    • It seems to be something that's nice to have, but not essential. So I'd delete it for now and restore it whenever the server is back up.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:55, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

      Done--Ykraps (talk) 06:12, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

• Need to add PD-old or some other appropriate license to accompany PD-Art in your images.

  Sorry, not sure what you are asking for here. All images are linked to commons where their licences can be viewed. Are you asking for the licence to be added to the image in hidden text?--Ykraps (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

  • You're responsible for the licenses of all the images used in your article. Click on one of images and go to Commons for more details, you can read the text of the license which shows that the existing PD-Art license is not enough; most all of them need a PD-old license as well. See Commons:Copyright tags for more details. It suck, I know, but feel free to ask me or on Commons for help.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:35, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

    I'm struggling with this. How do I know which licence needs to be added? Image:Map of Essequibo and Demerara, 1798.jpg, was uploaded from flickr [[1]] so presumably that's available under (CC BY 2.0) licence; File:Battle of Basque Roads 11 April.svg, was uploaded and by its creator, User:BarretBonden under (CC BY-SA 3.0), but the rest I'm not sure about. File:Admiral Sir John Thomas Duckworth (1748-1817).jpg appears to have been uploaded from the National Maritime Museum but whether their copyright[2] allows that I'm not sure. Any ideas?--Ykraps (talk) 16:17, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

    I have left a question at Commons help desk, here[3]--Ykraps (talk) 08:51, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

    Done by User:De728631 and User:Yann

    • • All images licenses are now correct.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:27, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

• Amazon class Link this to the class article, add a hyphen and italicize the class name. Even if it's a redlink. Do this in the infobox and in the first sentence. See Template:Sclass- for information on how to do that if you don't know how.

  Done - I have added a red link to Amazon class frigate (1795) and hyphenated.--Ykraps (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

• Link the pound symbol, frigate in the lede, Woolwich, broken up, receiving ship, squadron, keel, gundeck, Cadiz, Havana, cable, Toulon, Malta, privateer, fireship, brig.

  Done - There is no article for cable, I have linked to Hawser which is less specific.

• Capitalize admiral in Rear-admiral or Vice-admiral.

  I think lower-case is more usual, see Rear admiral (Royal Navy) and Vice admiral (Royal Navy), and Collins English Dictionary (3rd Edition). Glasgow: Harper Collins. 1991. ISBN 0 00 433286 5. and Chambers Dictionary (11th Edition). Edinburgh: Chambers Harrap. 2008. ISBN 978 0550 10289 8. both use lower-case (Chambers hyphenates, Collins does not). Confusingly vice admiral (lower-case) is not the same as Vice-Admiral (capitals).--Ykraps (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

  • This must be a Britishism as Americans capitalize both when used as a proper noun in conjunction with a name.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:35, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

    It appears so, damn ENGVAR!--Ykraps (talk) 12:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

• The second pair of "Amazons" were marginally smaller at 925 87⁄94 (bm) and were built from Pitch Pine. I don't understand, what second pair? There have only been two ships mentioned thus far in this para. Pitch Pine should not be capitalized.

  The section on construction explains that there were four Amazon-class frigates, the first pair (Amazon and Emerald) ordered 24/5/1794, followed by a second pair, ordered on 31/7/1795. However, if you have a suggestion to make this clearer, I'm happy to entertain it.--Ykraps (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

  • You didn't specify that Emerald was one of the first pair, thus my confusion. Still don't see how the smaller dimensions of the second pair is relevant to Emerald, although it matters to the class article, if you ever write that.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:35, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

    Done - I have rewritten this. See what you think.--Ykraps (talk) 12:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

• Is Berkley notable?

  In Wikipedia terms (the subject of multiple third party sources), yes. Other articles mentioning him have used a red link, are you suggesting we follow suit?--Ykraps (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Sure, why not?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:35, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

    Done--Ykraps (talk) 16:17, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

• Why did the squadron not engage Santissima Trinidad?

  Done - Berkley (not knowing the true condition of Trinidad) thought he was outgunned. He attempted to keep the Spanish in sight while awaiting reinforcements. I have added a bit to the article.--Ykraps (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

• brought her to action passive voice How about "attacked" instead?

  Done.--Ykraps (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

• British Service decapitalize service

  Done.--Ykraps (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

• second bombardment of Cadiz shouldn't this have a link?

  Done - Although I didn't consider Assault on Cádiz (1797), a long, drawn out, naval blockade whch included two bombardments to sufficiently illustrate it. The article needs some work. Perhaps I'll add it to my list.--Ykraps (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

• admiralty Capitalize and link.

  Done.--Ykraps (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

• The squadron left Gibraltar on 9 May but Emerald became comma after "May".

  Done.--Ykraps (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

• Don't capitalize Seventy-fours

  Done.--Ykraps (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

• 10-gunner?? Was this one of the escorts or a merchant ship?

  Done - She was a merchant vessel and have added this info to the article. Merchantmen of that era were invariably armed. They had less guns than warships of a comparable size, of course, because they needed more space for cargo.--Ykraps (talk) 19:37, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

• Done up to Caribbean service; more later.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:55, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

• Should probably use name of Dutch Guiana rather than Surinam and I think that the latter is a modern term and not something that the people of the time would have used.

  I considered using the term, Dutch Guiana, but this part of the Surinam article explains that this was an unofficial name. In addition, the map with which I have illustrated the section, uses Surinam, and I thought this might complicate things.--Ykraps (talk) 05:50, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

  I have changed the link (in the previous section) so it now directs to the Dutch colony, rather than the modern country. Do you think that's better?--Ykraps (talk) 06:01, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Good idea.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 11:34, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

• Be consistent in how you italicize Brigadier-general.

  I'm sorry, I'm unable to see what you are referring to. I can only see brigadier-general twice, in this sentence, "...700 troops, commanded by Brigadier-general Maitland, at Warapee Creek on the night of 30 April. The following night, O'Bryen was ordered to assist Brigadier-general Hughes in the taking Braam's Point". Are there other occassions?--Ykraps (talk) 06:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

  Got it! I assume you meant capitalize.--Ykraps (talk) 06:58, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Sorry, yes. Fingers and brain not meshing well.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 11:34, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

• Tell the reader what kind of ships are those listed in the Capture of Surinam section. Be sure to do that throught the article on first mention of the ship.
• setting light to Varsovie and Aquilon either "setting fire" or "setting Varsovie and Aquilon alight"

  Done--Ykraps (talk) 12:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

• British Brig decapitalize brig; move description of Incomparable to first appearance.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:27, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

  Done--Ykraps (talk) 12:15, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

• breached by one of the explosion vessels Explosive, I think.

  Done - Yes, I think so too. I must've been having one of those finger/brain problems too :) --Ykraps (talk) 12:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Just an FYI, all I was really looking for was the general type of ship, brig, schooner, third-rate, etc. Gun count is nice but not always necessary and can be used on second appearance as a change of pace. Congratulations, I think that we're done here. I hope that you will continue to edit more warship articles; there's too few of us as is.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:16, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks and thanks for helping to bring this to a satisfactory conclusion so promptly. I'm not normally in such a rush but as I explained, I'm away soon. Best regards--Ykraps (talk) 15:52, 14 August 2015 (UTC)