Talk:Hakuba Takeshi

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"Though Hakuba transferred to Michinoku stable in 2000, he was still officially considered a member of the defunct Tatsugawa stable. This is because when he joined, Michinoku already had it's JSA designated limit of one foreign wrestler; the fellow Mongolian Ryūhō." Bit confused by this. Ryuho is Japanese, not Mongolian. The foreigner in Michinoku at the time was the Argentine Hoshitango - is this who was meant?--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Ryuho is obviously a mistake (I might have confused him with Ryuo). It must be Hoshitango, but it could be the other Argentinian that followed him when Hoshitango took Japanese citizenship. I think I'll just take out any name references to be safe. Thanks for picking up on that. FourTildes (talk) 22:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

While we're at it, can somebody give a source for that "still officially considered a Tatsutagawa stable member" bit? I've literally never read that before and I consider myself pretty well-informed on the administrative issues of Ozumo. To the best of my knowledge the one-foreigner-per-stable limit simply gets waived in the event of a stable merger. (See e.g. also the Kitanoumi/Hatachiyama merger which resulted in Kitanoumi-beya having both Orora and Hakurozan.) Zeyes (talk) 10:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Check the second link under external links and read his Japanese bio. That is what I understood the Japanese to say, if it's factual anyway. I should have made it a ref instead of leaving it an external link, but I have been spreading myself pretty thin lately. I will change it to a ref or delete it, depending on our conclusion after you have taken a look. Glad to know someone is actual bothering read and check the articles. FourTildes (talk) 11:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Ahh...no, it's a bit different. If I understand it correctly, it's roughly "[although he was introduced through an acquaintance of Tatsutagawa-oyakata] because Tatsutagawa-oyakata's retirement was only two years away Hakuba was going to enter Michinoku-beya, but due to the foreigner limit he ended up making his debut out of Tatsutagawa-beya after all." (Presumably with the understanding that he'd eventually be with Michinoku-beya anyway.) I'm not quite sure what the background is here...perhaps Hoshitango's naturalization (effective Nov 2000) was meant to take place much earlier or maybe Hoshiandesu was planning to retire earlier than he ended up doing (Sep 2000), and that's why Hakuba was originally scheduled to be with Michinoku-beya, before a change of plans. Zeyes (talk) 13:00, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Just to add for clarification: Where I translated as "enter" and "making his debut", the original comment both times specifically refers to the shindeshi kensa, the physical examination of new recruits, so it's only talking about that particular moment, not the later situation when Tatsutagawa retired. Zeyes (talk) 13:09, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I thought maybe it could be interpreted that way, but I wasn't sure what a "shindeshi kensa" entailed and if it was something done on more than once or what. I thought it strange that they would put that particular info at the end, confusing it's chronology. Anyway, I will change the explanation and ref it correctly. Thanks. FourTildes (talk) 20:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

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