Talk:Hal Moore

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The article talks about "Major General George Armstrong Custer" and references him as such in comparison to Hal Moore. Custer was only a brevet (temporary) general during the Civil War and was demoted back down to Captain once the war was over. He eventually was offered a Lieutenant Colonelcy in the 7th Calvary and died at Little Bighorn with that rank.

Radio show asppearance

I didn't remove the entry based on sourcing. My removal was based on WP:WEIGHT as it relates to BLP. The entry, as written, makes it appear that Moore is a white supremist. That implication is a BLP problem. You provide absolutely no context for the nature of the appearence. It simply links the Moore with white supremists. Without something to show that he is a WS or sympathizes with them, it is a problem. On a larger scale, this is a biography, which should document important or significant events in his life, not trivia. If I found a reliable source telling us what he had for breakfast yesterday, should that trivial fact be included simply because it has a good source? Niteshift36 (talk) 18:52, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

By reverting my addition twice, you have engaged in edit warring, a violation of policy. Appearing on a white supremacist radio show is a more notable event than eating breakfast — at least for most people. Thus your comparison constitutes a false analogy, a type of logical fallacy. No implication was made in the added text about why Moore appeared on the radio show, so your claim (The entry, as written, makes it appear that Moore is a white supremist.) is without merit. Only the documented facts were in the text that you removed. Appearing on a liberal radio show doesn't make someone a liberal. It just makes that person someone who appeared on a liberal talk show. Hal Moore is someone who appeared on a white supremacist talk show. That is a fact which may certainly be of interest to readers, as is evidenced by your quick and efficient responses. You removal of well-cited content is counter to policy. I will revert. — goethean ॐ 19:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

• First off, I have reverted twice, which is not automatically an "edit war". There is no violation of the 3RR and 3RR provides an exception to BLP issues. Further, BLP states that contentious info should be removed and discussion should take place, which is why I invited you to discuss it. Third, I have requested input from the BLP noticeboard here: [1]. Don't make allegations before you know what is going on. Niteshift36 (talk) 19:17, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I know exactly what is going on. — goethean ॐ 19:18, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Do not revert this. This is a biography of a living person. Material which may be unfair or inappropriate remains OUT of the article until consensus is reached that it is fair and safe to include it. Please use the dispute resolution process and don't edit war on BLPS.--Scott Mac (Doc) 19:22, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

It should remain out for now. Though well sourced the material sounds biased unless explained better. BLP issue. Cablespy (talk) 19:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

So only happy talk in this article then? — goethean ॐ 19:27, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

• Nobody said that. They are simply agreeing with what I have contended. The entry creates the implication that Moore affiliates with white supremicist, which is a problem. And again I will ask where you got that characterization in the first place? Neither source you cite says that. Niteshift36 (talk) 19:33, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

biography

The Bio states "Moore managed to persevere despite overwhelming odds that led to a sister battalion only two-and-a-half miles away being massacred."

this is misleading as the 2/7 was wrecked the day after.

i wwould suggest "Moore managed to persevere,,,being massacred the next day" Patbahn (talk) 07:30, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Moore was not the commander of the 2/7, LTC McDade was. Moore commanded the 1/7 and the unit was returned to base camp. Neither he or his unit was involved in the fight at LZ Albany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevmoore (talk • contribs) 12:51, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Confusing Sentence

In the last sentence of the biography section it mentions that he signed the 1,000 plus flag officers something-or-other about gays in the military. It's very muddied grammar, I couldn't understand whether it meant for or against gays. Could a Wiki editor clean it up so that it's not ambiguous and confusing? Thanks. 66.122.184.111 (talk) 05:39, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Awards

The General's photo displays a uniform that is not consistent with Army regulation; it may be authorized for some fraternal association wear.

• Reference the Vietnam Gallantry Cross (Individual and Unit): Only one emblem (with palm) will be worn regardless of the number of times the unit was awarded the RVN Gallantry Cross. The Army initially authorized the wear of a fourragere by letter AGPB-AC, Subject: Wear of Vietnamese Unit Awards by U.S. Army Personnel, dated 11 February 1969, for units which had been awarded the RVN Gallantry Cross with palm on two or more occasions. Department of the Army message 111030Z April 1974, established the policy that only one emblem was authorized, thus precluding the wear of the Vietnamese fourrageres which represented multiple awards. Meyerj (talk) 13:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

• I am missing the point here. Who cares if the retired general's uniform is consistent with Army regulations? The picture is an accurate, non-POV representation of HIM. He's not up for a promotion board here. Why should I care if he is wearing a fourragere or not? I'm not going to measure the space between rows either. Niteshift36 (talk) 19:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Lt. Gen. Moore s/h/b nominated for the Congressional Medal of Honor for his bravery under extreme fire as a Colonel in Vietnam. John McCann — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:44:2:13FB:B83F:9607:B432:778A (talk) 01:22, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

The article states that the DSC is the Army's second highest award for valor. Not true. The Medal of Honor is not an Army award. The DSC is the highest award that the Army is currently authorized to confer. Cybersharque (talk) 20:59, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I am Moore's son and am not aware of any nomination for the Medal of Honor. If somebody can tell me how to change out the picture on the article, I really want to replace the current picture with his official picture as a Lt General. That picture, taken around 1974, shows him wearing 2 unit awards of the VN Gallantry Cross and may have been taken before the April 1974 policy statement on one emblem - but it looks like he ignored that policy since the current Wiki picture and the uniform hanging in his closet has two palms. Also, while Dad was awarded a Purple Heart (DD 214) for a wound in VN, he never wore it out of respect for those who earned a PH while sustaining more serious injuries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevmoore (talk • contribs) 13:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Sometimes the person wearing the ribbons makes a mistake with his ribbons/devices, even Medal of Honor recipients: Admiral James Stockdale, Vietnam, his Combat Action Ribbon in his photo is out of position (should be worn before the Meritorious Unit Commendation ribbon, and backwards (blue color side of ribbon is first not red color) [2]. Basil L. Plumley who served with Moore, has ribbon mistakes in his article photo: his PUC Emblem is incorrectly placed after the RVN Gallantry Cross Unit Citation Emblem and he has an oak leaf cluster instead of a 3/16" bronze star on his National Defense Service Ribbon.

Back during the 1960's, the National Defense Service Medal was indeed worn with oak leaf cluster instead of service star. Just like the Purple Heart was worn after the Army/Navy/Air Force Achievement Medal, and not after the Bronze Star Medal like it is the case since 1984. As for Stockdale's Combat Action Ribbon, the Navy wears the Unit awards from wearer's left to right on white uniform, unlike the U.S. Army, who wears unit awards from wearer's right to left. 2001:7E8:D3F3:A201:30C9:D32E:4211:F047 (talk) 10:51, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

In Moore's article photo: the RVN Gallanty Cross Unit Citation Emblem has 2 palms when only 1 palm (and 1 emblem) is authorized for wear no matter how many RVN GC unit awards were awarded (evidently he was entitled to 2 awards and mistakenly attached another palm). Also, he mistakenly placed an oak leak cluster on his National Defense Service Ribbon which authorizes 3/16" bronze stars only. What is his exact date for Vietnam service (arrival and departure dates) for the correct number of 3/16" stars (photo shows 3 stars which was changed to 4 stars w/o giving his Vietnam departure date)? YahwehSaves (talk) 20:20, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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Custer should not be listed as a major general. He was never a major general, only a brevet bridgadier general during the Civil War. That rank is temporary in nature and upon conclusion of the Civil War Custer was demoted back to Captain; he was a Lieutenant Colonel commanding the 7th Calvary when he died. It is wholly inaccurate to state that he was "Major General George C. Custer" and it contradicts the rest of the sentence: a major general commands a division, not a battalion.

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Completely wrong. Custer was brevetted to major general. It says so on his gravestone at West Point, where they don't lie. Cybersharque (talk) 21:07, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

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World war 2 service?

As he was commissioned June 5,1945 and WW2 did not end until September 2,1945 he should have ww 2 medals.

He does. Acroterion (talk) 16:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)