Talk:Hall of Fame for Great Americans/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 01:21, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:21, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Before I look through the article, there's a question about the images. The US has freedom of panorama for buildings but not sculptures, so per the commons:Hirtle chart they are only in the public domain if they did not have a copyright notice or it was not renewed; for sculptures installed after 1963 no renewal was necessary. I know how to search for written copyrights, but not how to search for copyright on sculptures. Do you have any background in this or should I go digging? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:29, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie, thanks for taking up this review. Honestly, I didn't even realize the images could be an issue, so I hadn't bothered to check. I will look at it tomorrow, though. – Epicgenius (talk) 02:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Epicgenius, just checking in. Do you want me to fail this while you figure out what to do about those images? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie, thanks for the response. As a temporary measure, I have hidden all images of sculptures commissioned after 1926, but I'm thinking of removing that column altogether.

In the meantime, would you mind reviewing the article against the other criteria? I would appreciate it, since it will take me a while to sort through the image issues here and at the 2 Columbus Circle article. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:48, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Will do, probably later today. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:49, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Just had a quick look at the article and I think any image you leave in would need to have evidence linked or given on the image page that showed it was sculpted before 1927. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:51, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I could do that later. Currently, all images in the article either only depict small sections of the busts (a de minimis use of the potentially copyrighted sculptures) or do not depict the busts at all. Epicgenius (talk) 14:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Earwig reveals no issues.

• What makes trivia-library.com a reliable source?
  • It is copied verbatim from various editions of The People's Almanac, which I unfortunately can't access right now. Epicgenius (talk) 14:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

    I think it might be OK as a source link, but I don't think we should treat it as the source. Can you cite the almanacs directly? I just looked up the almanacs to see what they were like; those listicle-like sources aren't famous for their accuracy. The material cited here is dry and uncontroversial so I'm OK with it, since it's clearly an edited work, and Little, Brown is a respected publisher. I'm not sure this would fly at FAC though. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:14, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

    @Mike Christie, I've replaced all instances of trivia-library.com with the actual source. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:50, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

• Why is the height above sea-level interesting?
  • Most of NYC is at or just above sea level. The Harlem River is one of these geographical features that lie at sea level, so the hall is about 170 feet above the river, but saying that in the article directly would be synthesis. Epicgenius (talk) 14:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

    OK, but why does the reader care at all? Are you saying that it's interesting because it's one of the higher points in the boroughs? Or perhaps that to a New Yorker the fact is interesting because locals know the city is mostly at sea level? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:14, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

    You're right, it's interesting mainly to New Yorkers and would be confusing to everyone else. I've removed it. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:47, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

• "The northern and southern entrances to the Hall of Fame were designed at right angles": not sure what this is supposed to convey -- the orientation of the entrances? To the line of the loggia? And what does it mean to say an entrance is at right angles to the line of the loggia? Do we need this?
  • They both face east and are perpendicular to the loggia, which runs from north to south. I have removed this now. Epicgenius (talk) 14:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Spotchecks:

• FN 130 cites "The remaining silver medals of honorees were melted down. Johnson & Jensen bought the remaining bronze medals, which they then sold at a deep discount": the source only says they planned to sell it, not that they were ultimately sold.
  • Fixed. I don't know how I missed this. Epicgenius (talk) 14:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
• FN 17 cites "The William A. Hall Partnership was hired to restore the ceiling in 1992, and the Cavalier Renaissance Foundry restored 90 of the busts for about $40,000. Several conservators criticized the fact that the original finishes of these busts had been removed." Verified.
• FN 152 cites "Carver's bust was installed in 1977, four years after he had been elected": verified.

Another very clean article; I could find little to criticize. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:16, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie: Thanks for your comments. I have replied to these issues now, but I still have to tag the images, as well as possibly find a replacement for trivia-library.com. Epicgenius (talk) 14:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

The trivia-library source is gone and the bust images are no longer an issue, so passing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:04, 17 September 2022 (UTC)