Talk:Hamilcar Barca
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editThis article seems oddly NPOV -- pro-gallant Romans and anti-untrustworthy Carthaginians. Can we have a little more evenhandedness after 2,200 years? --Michael K SmithTalk 18:55, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Karthago delenda est. — LlywelynII 03:46, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Family name overkill
editFrom the Hannibal article: "In light of Hamilcar Barca's cognomen, historians refer to Hamilcar's family as the Barcids; however, scholars debate whether the cognomen Barca (meaning "thunderbolt") was applied to Hamilcar alone or was hereditary within his family."
Since there is an article on the Barcid family might as well let that take care of it. The brothers' article names don't include it and usage keeps the brothers' names free of it. So until irrefutable evidence to the contrary, cognomen it is. Manytexts (talk) 04:12, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
"thus could be of Greek or Libyan origin"
editIs this statement original research? Are there any sources out there that support it? It seems like original research to me. I think it's best if we remove it (unless relevant sources are provided, of course), and I plan to do so, unless there are any objections. Best, --Spivorg (talk) 21:13, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
- Alright. I will now remove the statement. Best, --Spivorg (talk) 10:25, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Death of Hamilcar - Derivation of Barcino (ancient Barcelona) city name from cognomen "Barcas"
editThe revision that questions the well-known and long assumed derivation of "Barcino" (written in Greek-transliterated Iberian as "Barkeno") cites a source which, in fact, says nothing like what the contributor of the revision is contending it says - does not even imply it. Considering the time lines, that place-name being attested on coins from the "last decades of the 3rd-century B.C." belies neither that the town could have been named/renamed in honor of Hamilcar or the Barcids, nor that Hamilcar himself could be considered to have "founded" it by enhancing its significance as a settlement or port. Seems rather to bolster the traditional opinion. Neither the cited source nor the contributor offers up an independent lexeme in ancient Iberian with a root like "bark*" or "barke*" that would support the contributor's apparent bias that the name is other than from Phoenician. Is it just the thrill of iconoclasm with this guy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.13.136.34 (talk) 21:50, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- No need to cop an attitude. The legend that the Carthaginians founded Barcelona and that it was named after Hamilcar Barca has no archaeological or linguistic support. Etymological consensus has long been that the town was named Barkeno by the early Iberian inhabitants of the area, not by the Carthaginians.[1][2] Josep Padró i Parcerisa says: "It was probably on the Montjuic site that the drachmae with the inscription Barkeno in Iberian characters were minted in the third century B.C."[3] There is no archaeological evidence that the Carthaginians had a settlement on the site of present-day Barcelona. Carlstak (talk) 03:03, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Also, the Dietler-López-Ruiz book, Colonial Encounters in Ancient Iberia: Phoenician, Greek, and Indigenous Relations, says on page 75: "...while Montjuic, though still largely unknown, seemed to have been an important port and probably the city of Barkeno..." Montjuïc is a hill in Barcelona overlooking the harbour, southwest of the city center. Carlstak (talk) 02:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- ^ Joan de Déu Prats (2009). Llegendes històriques de Barcelona. L'Abadia de Montserrat. p. 11. ISBN 978-84-9883-064-4.
- ^ James Maxwell Anderson (30 June 1988). Ancient languages of the Hispanic peninsula. University Press of America. p. 132. ISBN 978-0-8191-6732-3.
- ^ Josep Padró i Parcerisa (1983). Egyptian-type Documents: From the Mediterranean Littoral of the Iberian Peninsula Before the Roman Conquest. Brill Archive. p. 3. ISBN 90-04-06133-9.
Punic name
editin the article's old spelling and its supposed meaning both need cites here and at the Hamilcar article. [Meaning corrected, with cite.] Also, don't use the Punic script directly in the English sentences and abjad transcriptions go in small caps, not italics. — LlywelynII 05:09, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
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This article has several issues - repeating paragraphs, death is strangely misplaced, many sections told out of order, et cetera.
editJust take a look. can someone fix? 2600:1009:B021:7B3:E044:78B6:C497:B6FA (talk) 22:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)