Talk:Hanover bars

Can someone please add a picture illustrating what Hanover bars look like? 71.108.215.10 06:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Or indeed a better explanation of what they are or where the name came from! I'm supposing they're the intense coloured patterns, similar to a dot crawl effect, that used to be very visible on news and weather reports if the presenter was wearing a jacket or shirt with a chequed pattern and stood at just such a distance from the camera to provide massive interference with the encoding and broadcast process... May however be difficult to get a screencapture that can be uploaded without digging through hours of ancient shortplay VHS tape, rigging the tape deck up to an elderly non-delay-line, cheap-comb-filter small-screen tube set and putting a digital or film camera in front of it on a long exposure (would it even work if the tape was paused?). Reason being the effect I'm thinking of has pretty much died out, I haven't seen it for many years - granted my main TV input has been digital cable, satellite, and broadcast, but it was neither evident on analogue transmission because of better fashion sense and generally higher quality of TV set electronics.

Picture?

Care to add any picture displaying "Hanover bars"? I've only ever hear them mentioned by Americans and consider them a myth, actually. Or do you actually mean dot crawl or its complimentary effect where improper isolation of cheap composite cables results in crosstalk from the luma to the chroma wire (while dotcrawl is the other way around)? After googling for hours, I've found this technical diagram at least, but it didn't tell me much either. --87.154.23.91 (talk) 18:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion to merge this into the PAL article

Since Hanover bars occur only in the PAL system and there is very little to address on the subject, I think this article should be merged with the article on PAL. There is little more to say on the matter of Hanover bars than what is already in the stub. Zacabeb (talk) 15:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Picture

What is seen in the current picture is actually crosstalk from the luma wire to the chroma wire inside a poorly isolated composite video cable (most likely of the Belling-Lee connector variety), nicknamed rainbow swirls, which is the complementary error to dot crawl, i. e. crosstalk from luma to chroma, which is also seen in the picture here. Bottom line: What we see here is errors typical of poor composite video connections, not of PAL. --84.143.9.245 (talk) 01:23, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a Philips Pattern was not the best choice for illustrating the problem, as attention is drawn to the artifacts you mention. Still, it seemed a good idea to use a recognized test card for illustration. The Hanover Bars are visible in the color bars and the 'colorless' signals in the outermost columns. I'll see if I can produce comb filtered versions of the examples. Zacabeb (talk) 21:19, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I've remade the examples in Y/C form, so the cross-chroma and cross-luma artifacts are gone now. Zacabeb (talk) 22:02, 28 March 2010 (UTC)