Talk:Haplogroup N-M231

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What is the age of N1a? 149.6.147.114 (talk) 16:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Not more than 12 000 years according to this: http://www.sendspace.com/file/utjqku . Not less than several thousand years according to the difference between Polish and Asian haplotypes. СЛУЖБА (talk) 01:16, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

-- I don't understand totally from which reasons author of article believe that Haplogroup N originated in Southeast Asia. Haplogroup N has significant distribution only in Northern Eurasia and all of it's relatives (Haplogroups O, NO, P, Q and R) are propagated in Northern Eurasia too. Til. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.52.51.54 (talk) 20:37, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Ever heard of bottleneck? 71.135.62.154 (talk) 20:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

... with own personal theory of bottlenecks, one can securely "believe" in almost any origin of any given haplogroup. 88.196.253.109 (talk) 14:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Do I understand it right that you don't "believe" in bottlenecks? СЛУЖБА (talk) 23:02, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, Haplogroup N is most diverse in Southeast Asia. 71.135.34.59 (talk) 06:47, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Haplogroups O and NO propagated in Northern Eurasia and not in Southeast Asia??? Please check the data more carefully. СЛУЖБА (talk) 22:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

The claim of origin in Southeast Asia was added by an IP in April 2008 and is still unreferenced, see here. --Florian Blaschke (talk)

See Rootsi 2006. ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.1.48.51 (talk) 12:22, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Also see Hong Shi et al. 2013 They also have this nice little map. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-npG1QhnACKE/UcPJm8EpJvI/AAAAAAAAI60/K_aLoq8Sptk/s320/journal.pone.0066102.g004.png

I am agnostic as to origin of haplogroup N. However, I point out that the incidence maps are misleading as they do not account for population density. Once that is accounted for, the majority of haplogroup N individuals today live within China.

TREE!!!

Here is the tree of all 67-marker haplotypes of N1 (2 parts):

http://www.sendspace.com/file/utjqku http://www.sendspace.com/file/qnb3qc

СЛУЖБА (talk) 23:08, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Revised phylogeny

This really needs a rewrite as the phylogeny has been totally revised and ISOGG is hopelessly behind. Fortunately we have two important studies dealing with N in the past couple of years but there are a couple of things which are well known from private testing and amateur work but so far as I know haven't appeared in peer-reviewed literature. Most importantly, does anyone know of reliable sources for the distribution of P189 (southeastern Europe but the only example I know of in the literature is identified only as 'mixed origin')?Megalophias (talk) 16:32, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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"It is also found in some The apparent dearth of haplogroup N-M231 amongst Native American peoples indicates that ..."

That obviously truncated sentence makes no sense. 66.36.141.40 (talk) 01:29, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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Reference named "Kharkov2014":

• From Haplogroup O-M122: V. N. Kharkov, K. V. Khamina, O. F. Medvedeva, K. V. Simonova, E. R. Eremina, and V. A. Stepanov, "Gene Pool of Buryats: Clinal Variability and Territorial Subdivision Based on Data of Y-Chromosome Markers." ISSN 1022-7954, Russian Journal of Genetics, 2014, Vol. 50, No. 2, pp. 180–190. Original Russian Text © V.N. Kharkov, K.V. Khamina, O.F. Medvedeva, K.V. Simonova, E.R. Eremina, V.A. Stepanov, 2014, published in Genetika, 2014, Vol. 50, No. 2, pp. 203–213. DOI: 10.1134/S1022795413110082
• From Haplogroup C-M217: V. N. Kharkov, K. V. Khamina, O. F. Medvedeva, K. V. Simonova, E. R. Eremina, and V. A. Stepanov, "Gene Pool of Buryats: Clinal Variability and Territorial Subdivision Based on Data of Y-Chromosome Markers." Russian Journal of Genetics, 2014, Vol. 50, No. 2, pp. 180–190. DOI: 10.1134/S1022795413110082.

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Reference named "Nonaka2007":

• From Y-DNA haplogroups in populations of East and Southeast Asia: I. Nonaka et al 2007, Y-chromosomal Binary Haplogroups in the Japanese Population and their Relationship to 16 Y-STR Polymorphisms
• From Haplogroup D-M55: Nonaka, I.; Minaguchi, K.; Takezaki, N. (February 2, 2007). "Y-chromosomal Binary Haplogroups in the Japanese Population and their Relationship to 16 Y-STR Polymorphisms". Annals of Human Genetics. 71 (Pt 4): 480–95. doi:10.1111/j.1469-1809.2006.00343.x. PMID 17274803.
• From Haplogroup Q-M242: Nonaka, I.; Minaguchi, K.; Takezaki, N. (2007). "Y-chromosomal Binary Haplogroups in the Japanese Population and their Relationship to 16 Y-STR Polymorphisms" (PDF). Annals of Human Genetics. 71 (4): 480–495. doi:10.1111/j.1469-1809.2006.00343.x. hdl:10130/491. PMID 17274803.
• From Genetic history of East Asians: I. Nonaka, K. Minaguchi, and N. Takezaki, "Y-chromosomal Binary Haplogroups in the Japanese Population and their Relationship to 16 Y-STR Polymorphisms." Annals of Human Genetics (2007) 71, 480–495. doi: 10.1111/j.1469-1809.2006.00343.x
• From Haplogroup Q-M120: Nonaka, I.; Minaguchi, K.; Takezaki, N. (2007). "Y-chromosomal Binary Haplogroups in the Japanese Population and their Relationship to 16 Y-STR Polymorphisms". Annals of Human Genetics. 71 (4): 480–95. doi:10.1111/j.1469-1809.2006.00343.x. hdl:10130/491. PMID 17274803.

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Reference named "Liu2018":

• From Haplogroup Q-M242: LIU Shuhu, NIZAM Yilihamu, RABIYAMU Bake, ABDUKERAM Bupatima, and DOLKUN Matyusup, "A study of genetic diversity of three isolated populations in Xinjiang using Y-SNP." Acta Anthropologica Sinica, 2018, 37(1): 146-156.
• From Haplogroup R1a: Liu SH, N, Yilihamu, R Bake, et al. (2018), "A study of genetic diversity of three isolated populations in Xinjiang using Y-SNP." Acta Anthropologica Sinica, 2018, 37(1): 146-156.
• From Haplogroup R1b: Liu SH, N, Yilihamu, R Bake, et al. (2018), "A study of genetic diversity of three isolated populations in Xinjiang using Y-SNP." Acta Anthropologica Sinica, 2018, 37(1): 146-156. DOI: 10.16359/j.cnki.cn11-1963/q.2017.0067

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Reference named "Fedorova2013":

• From Tungusic peoples: Fedorova, Sardana A; Reidla, Maere; Metspalu, Ene; et al. (2013). "Autosomal and uniparental portraits of the native populations of Sakha (Yakutia): implications for the peopling of Northeast Eurasia". BMC Evolutionary Biology. 2013 (13): 127. doi:10.1186/1471-2148-13-127. PMC 3695835. PMID 23782551.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
• From Yakuts: Sardana A Fedorova, Maere Reidla, Ene Metspalu, et al., "Autosomal and uniparental portraits of the native populations of Sakha (Yakutia): implications for the peopling of Northeast Eurasia." BMC Evolutionary Biology 2013, 13:127. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/13/127

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