Talk:Happy Face

Requested move 29 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved as proposed. Consensus exists (bar Netoholic) that Happy face should redirect to Smiley. There exists greater support for the title Happy Face than Happy face (disambiguation). (closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) 17:01, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

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Happy face → Happy Face – "Happy face" (lowercase) should point to Smiley. Current article Happy Face up for deletion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Happy Face), likely gone when time runs for this. Hyperbolick (talk) 18:36, 29 January 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. DannyS712 (talk) 02:33, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support Per nom._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 03:35, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – might reconsider if Happy Face is deleted, but for now it's a malformed request. Dicklyon (talk) 04:02, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

  @Dicklyon: the article was indeed deleted --DannyS712 (talk) 02:33, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support as the only usage of the lower case. Happy Face looks like its going to be deleted but if it isn't we could move this to Happy Face (disambiguation). Note that Happy Face was originally a redirect to the DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:26, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. There is no need for this disambiguation page to exist at all. Just redirect it to Smiley, and put a hatnote to Happy Faces, as that's the only other topic with an article. The three songs mentioned on the disambiguation page don't pass WP:GNG.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:04, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

  The 3 songs do pass WP:DABMENTION so I'd keep the DAB, note that Happy Face has been deleted. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:08, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

  Move the page to Happy face (disambiguation) - after running the Wikipedia search engine (as suggested by Station1 below), I've found there are quite a few other uses out there, and I've expanded the disambiguation page. In particular, one of them does not use title case - Theridion grallator, which is the happy face spider. Therefore we should keep the dab at the lower-case title, as we do at Red meat (disambiguation), and also redirect Happy Face to that. As an aside, this does raise the question that maybe dab pages aren't helping readers as much as we think they are, if they miss off several likely links, and the search page might do a better job. That's a question for another day though.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:33, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

  Maybe we would be better moving the DAB page to the title case version since most of the items are proper nouns and this puts the DAB page at the simple name. Maybe in this case we should also redirect the Title Case version to Smiley since unlike Friendly Fire, as you note none of the other uses are notable enough and just have mentions so maybe this is a case (like Sea Urchin/Sea Urchin (disambiguation)) where its OK for the Title Case to redirect to the Sensitive case, @Amakuru: what do you think? I'd actually though lean towards having no primary topic for the Title Case version though. I think the reason for DABs is so that every article can be found by found easily from 1 page and so that when we move an article away from the base name we don't break external links to it. If you're looking for Sutton, Suffolk and you search for "Sutton" the search results return many PTMs and the place in Suffolk doesn't come up until around the 100th result. Also note that its easy to run a query of "Foo (qualifier)" and "Foo, Qualifier" to see what's missing from "Foo", see Wikipedia:Suggestions for disambiguation repair/A53 for example. Dealing with other missing entries such as topics with other names or mentions are more difficult but don't appear to make the use of DABs less useful overall. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:14, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support but leave redirect to the disambiguation page. The title of the DAB should be uppercased to match the majority of entries, but that's all. A "happy face" is not always a smiley. -- Netoholic @ 04:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Amakuru. There are now no articles on WP titled "happy face" or "Happy Face". Just redirect to smiley by overwriting. Or delete altogether and let the search engine do its job. A hatnote on smiley for Happy Faces is optional. Station1 (talk) 07:56, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

  What about the DABMENTION point? There's no requirement that a page has to have its own article to be included on a DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:05, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

  There's also no requirement to add mentions. They "may be included if it would provide value to the reader." In this case, the search engine provides more value to the reader. Station1 (talk) 09:11, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

  Exactly. The songs are non-notable, and we shouldn't waste readers' time by having a pointless disambiguation page in a TWODABS scenario.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:21, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

  How does the search engine provide more value? The DAB page makes it easier to find them rather than picking them out of the other non matches that the search engine returns. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

  But makes it harder to find others. The dab page does not link to, for example, Spirit of Love, Kim McLean, Alexandre Franchi, Ryan Hamilton (comedian), Ya-kyim, or Get Real (song). - Station1 (talk) 10:12, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

  @Station1: does now. All capped. Hyperbolick (talk) 18:29, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

  Is that all of them? I had stopped looking after half a dozen. Facial expression mentions happy faces, as does Face perception. What about the balloon in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade? Or "Bonne figure" from Coupés bien net et bien carré? Or the happy face setting used in equalization? What about the face of a happy? Considering this page averaged 2 hits per day last year, approximately 2 of whom were looking for smiley, this can get very silly very quickly. Station1 (talk) 00:58, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

  Is the Macy's balloon called "Happy Face," unqualified? Is the fish, or the setting? Would love seeing proof of these. Hyperbolick (talk) 17:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

  All I know is what I read on Wikipedia. Station1 (talk) 10:12, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

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