Talk:Haraldskær Woman

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The photo is out of focus! It gives an impression but there must be a better one available. 87.113.21.196 16:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Good article nomination

I have just minor problems:

• "This tribe has been analyzed to have a Y-chromosome genetic marker known as S28, which is a unique indicator of Cimbri people." a reference would be useful)
• "Approximately 700 ancient bodies have been discovered as of the year 2006" (reference?)
• References are not proper: for example Hvass (1998) (that's all?)
• more external links would be needed
• interwikis?

Anyway great work! NCurse _work 21:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Agree with Ncurse, this is very close! In addition to his points, I noticed that the "bog bodies are found in Western Europe" factoid mentioned in three different sections -- could this be consolidated? — Catherine\^talk 15:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

i have tried to address the above points, adding reference detail and two more on line references; i found a better reference for citing the Hvass work. i have also dug up an old drawing of the Haraldskaer Estate itself. thanks for your interest and comments Covalent 02:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

It improved a lot with the references. Please fix my last two suggestions, and I'll pass it. NCurse _work 06:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Well done! I made it pass, so it became a good article. NCurse _work 13:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

An insertion on Haraldskaer Woman appears in Wikitravel/Denmark

This addition to wikitravel was made on sept 11, 2006 Covalent 04:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikitravel does not use the GFDL license, so copying it there is a copyright violation. As a wikitravel admin, I speedy deleted it. -- Cjensen 04:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

ok i understand. so i have revisited wikitravel and i think done it right, thanks to some of your help in wikitravel. thanks cjensen. Covalent 05:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

The correct spelling is "Haraldskær"

I'm quite aware that most English-speakers don't have "Æ" and "æ" on their keyboards, but Haraldskær is a Danish name which can never be spelled correctly with "ae". All other Danish names I have seen use a correct spelling and so do e.g. Polish and Romanian locations. This article should be moved to the correct spelling (with a redirect from the "ae" version). Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 22:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• You are theoretically correct, but the idea is not good in practice. It's not just "most" of english keyboards dont have the "æ": it's over 99.99 percent that dont have it. consequently virtually no one in the english speaking world could search for it by keying in letters. also look at the other english literature material on the subject. google etc. virtually no-one uses the "æ". ill create a new re-direct the other way though. regards Covalent 16:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Wiki practice actually seems pretty consistently to spell names correctly. The problem is that in Danish "Æ" is not a combination of two letters like in English, it is a full-blown letter describing a pretty distinct sound. It just hurts my eyes, that's all. It *is* quite true that English literature changes "Æ" to "Ae" and "Ø" to "Oe", the problem is that it is the English texts that are copied not the Danish, so people begin to believe that *this* is the correct spelling. Cheers. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 17:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

As long as there's a redirect from the "ae" version, English typers/searchers will have no problem finding the article. I'm going to go ahead and move it. — Catherine\^talk 18:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Jomsvinga saga

A Google search "Jomsvinga" revealed no hits but this one. I tried "Jomswinga" as well. This saga should be identified, so I've made a redlink. --Wetman 11:14, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

External Link

The link: "Chronology of Cimbri tribe including Jutland" links to a site about Dissolved Liquids.204.75.125.173 19:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Removed. The log doesn't seem to show what article it should have linked to. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 20:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Cuted text

Haraldskær Woman was likely a member of the Cimbri tribe, which was more closely related to Celtic rather than Germanic peoples. The Cimbri are thought to have engaged in ritualistic sacrifice, a practice which may have included Haraldskær Woman as a victim. A Y-chromosome genetic marker known as S28, has been identified as a unique indicator of Cimbri people. This genetic marker is associated with the descendants of Iron Age inhabitants.Y - DNA: Paternal - David K. Faux

It is frivolous science. A migration of a tribe been quick to a mix of many various tribes. And Cimbri was around Europe. And a woman had no Y-chromosomeHåbet 23:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and I think only due to misunderstandings was your removal reverted. There are several problems with this paragraph as I see it:

• The cited source appears to be self-published and probably does not meet Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Since it is only to connect the genetic marker to the Cimbri, that is not the main issue though.
• I don't think the genetic marker should be mentioned at all, without some explanation of how it relates to the Haraldskær woman. Since women don't have y-chromosomes, it cannot have been used to identify her as Cimbri and there is no other obvious, possible connection, that I can think of.
• That the Cimbri engaged in ritual sacrifice is probably true, but in 500 BC so did a lot of other tribes, and this cannot be used to identify her tribe. So what exactly makes it likely she was Cimbri?

I don't think this paragraph belongs in the article without some sort of reliable source connecting her to the Cimbri, and I intend to remove it. Hemmingsen 16:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Picture

The picture off the HW is quite poor. Are there no decent free ones out there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.108.184.248 (talk) 20:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Haraldskær Woman/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment. This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, listed below. I will check back in seven days. If these issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far.

• "The Jómsvíkinga saga tells that Queen Gunhild was murdered and then drowned in a bog". If she'd been murdered how could she then be drowned?

• The Mistaken identity section is completely without citations. Where did this information come from? Similarly, the last half of Details of Haraldskær Woman and Bog chemistry.

• When books or journals are used as sources the specific page numbers need to be shown.

--Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I've rewritten the Mistaken identity and Details of Haraldskær Woman sections; and added references. CactusWriter 14:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for dealing with this so promptly. There are still some parts uncited, but I don't believe the information in them is particularly contentious. A couple of books used as sources still don't have page numbers given, but overall I'm happy that enough has been done for this article to maintain its GA listing. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Coffin?

Maybe it's just semantics, but that looks like a display case to me, not a coffin. Coffins are for burying bodies, not displaying them.  – ukexpat (talk) 21:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the photograph isn't of the clearest quality so it might appear to be a display case at first glance. However, it is the original sarcophagus with the lid open and a glass display built over the top. Coffins are often used for display -- although usually for a much briefer period of time -- during funerals and wakes. Check out coffin. CactusWriter 07:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

OK I should have said "coffins are not for permanent display". Thanks for the explanation about the sarcophagus, maybe that would be a better word to use in the lead para? – ukexpat (talk) 16:15, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Done -- exchanged sarcophagus for coffin in the intro and caption. CactusWriter 19:16, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Excellent - thank you. – ukexpat (talk) 02:02, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Lead Image

I noticed that the lead image is very blurry and there are a few pictures at the Commons that are of better quality. Should it be changed? --GouramiWatcher ^(Gulp) 02:08, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I changed it for one of the other Commons images - look better? – ukexpat (talk) 02:57, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Like it! --Bullenwächter (talk) 19:21, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Historians guessing

I removed the word determined and replaced it with guess since historians do not actually know the circumstances of the woman's death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.161.200.5 (talk) 15:34, 21 May 2017 (UTC)