Talk:Harrisburg Area Community College

Official name

HACC's official name is now HACC, Central Pennsylvania's Community College. This entry should reflect this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.205.227.133 (talk) 23:38, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

It's not an official name change...it's an advertising slogan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.80.160.50 (talk) 00:17, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

If that's the case, then why did they change their envelopes from HACC - Harrisburg Area Community College to HACC - Central Pennsylvania's Community College? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.151.217.87 (talk) 18:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I take it you were educated at HACC.

Advertising slogan

"Central Pennsylvania's Community College" is an advertising slogan. HACC happens to be the only "community college" in south-central Pennsylvania. It's official motto is "scientia restituo verum" Latin for 'knowlege restores truth'...which is on the official raised seal used by the college. Wrightchr 06:48, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

It has been 6 years, but this discussion needs to be raised again. A tag line does not belong in an article title. The college's name is simply HACC, and what's more, there is not even a need for a disambiguation page since no other article exists with the acronym "HACC." -- DanielKlotz (talk · contribs) 02:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

The institution itself clearly does not consider the tag line part of its name, as made clear in the usage in this sentence from the website's history page: "Today, as Central Pennsylvania’s Community College, HACC has many strengths..." -- DanielKlotz (talk · contribs) 11:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

The school is accredited under the name Harrisburg Area Community College. See http://www.msche.org/institutions_view.asp?idinstitution=258 additionally, name changes are noted, so that for example Stevenson University has a subtitle: Formerly:Villa Julie College (2008 and prior years)" So it is quite clear that the accredidation body doesn't consider the school to have ever changed its name. Based on that, it might make sense to change the name of the Article to "Harrisburg Area Community College"... --Naraht 9 August 2012

I searched archives of area newspapers since 2007. Here are the results:

	HACC	"Harrisburg Area Community College"	"Central Pennsylvania's Community College"
Lancaster New Era	445	655	80
York Daily Record	291	359	2
Central Penn Business Journal	111	156	0
Patriot-News (Harrisburg)	1509	2461	39
Public Opinion	256	261	18
Evening Sun	203	249	16
Lebanon Daily News	518	118	2
York Dispatch	280	231	14
Sunday News	187	136	82

So, I'd say "Central Pennsylvania's Community College" is definitely not part of the common name. "Harrisburg Area Community College" seems to have a slight edge over HACC. And in borderline cases, I think using the full name is a bit more encyclopedic (see for example, University of California, Los Angeles, not UCLA). But there's also something to be said for preferring a newer name over an older name, to avoid the appearance of being outdated. (They may not have "officially" changed their name to HACC, but it seems to be what they're trying to present as the school's name.) So I could support either Harrisburg Area Community College or HACC. Toohool (talk) 17:53, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for that good and helpful research. After a look at the publications you mention, most refer to "Harrisburg Area Community College" first and then use "HACC" thereafter (and in headlines). I agree that "Harrisburg Area Community College is probably best. -- DanielKlotz (talk · contribs) 01:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Good Research, I got similar results when googling the pa.us domain to see how the state refers to it. I would support a move to Harrisburg Area Community College, with appropriate references to the PR usage of the other terms in the first paragraph of the article and appropriate redirects from other usages.Naraht (talk) 03:54, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I invited User:Hmich176 to participate as he moved the article from Harrisburg Area Community College to the current name.Naraht (talk) 04:42, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. I don't think it's correct to move it to "Harrisburg Area Community College." That's not the name of the school; a similar example is how ESPN changed their name from Entertainment and Sports Programming Network to ESPN, Inc. HACC did the same thing years ago. In regards to the "Central Pennsylvania's Community College" portion, you'll take notice that any press release by the school specifically calls the school "HACC, Central Pennsylvania’s Community College."

This is a list of articles that range from the present to as far back as 2005 showing that the school calls itself "HACC, Central Pennsylvania’s Community College.":

• http://newsroom.hacc.edu/article_display.cfm?article_id=2214
• http://newsroom.hacc.edu/article_display.cfm?article_id=2196
• http://newsroom.hacc.edu/article_display.cfm?article_id=187
• http://newsroom.hacc.edu/article_display.cfm?article_id=927
• http://newsroom.hacc.edu/article_display.cfm?article_id=706

Now, I'm not opposed to removing the "Central Pennsylvania's Community College" portion of the name, as it is something of a marketing line, but the name "Harrisburg Area Community College" is a colloquialism now. --User:Hmich176 (talk) 09:17, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree that those press releases talk about it as HACC, but I found something interesting when I googled for "Harrisburg Area Community College" at hacc.edu which is that a lot of pages have it. While I thought that it might be because the phrase is in the keywords (to help people find it in websearchers), it isn't. It is in the *copyright* notice. So the school still feels that "Harrisburg Area Community College" belongs in any copyright notice *and* as stated above it is accredited under the name "Harrisburg Area Community College". Also, they are still using both terms in the Minutes of the Board of Trustee meetings in 2011! http://www.hacc.edu/AboutUs/Administration/customcf/openform.cfm?FID=1250 (yes it says HACC at the top, but the "therefore" in the the Resolution says Harrisburg Area Community College). I also called the school at the 1-800 number. The person answered the phone with "H A C C Central Pennsylvania's Community College", but when I asked simply "What is the legal name of the school" (note, I did not give choices), the answer was "Harrisburg Area Community College" Based on all this, I still support the move back.

Calling 1-800-ABC-HACC is also not a legitimate source information for Wikipedia. Again, as I've already stated, the school uses the name "HACC, Central Pennsylvania's Community College" on all of it's documentation as it's name. The old name "Harrisburg Area Community College" is a colloquialism, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. --User:Hmich176 (talk) 18:09, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree that it is not a legitimate source, I was mostly curious. And "Harrisburg Area Community College" *is* used in official documentation, see the Minutes of the Board of Trustee meetings or the Sping Enrollment Report(http://www.hacc.edu/AboutUs/Administration/InstitutionalResearchandPlanning/upload/Spring-2012-Enrollment-Report-data.pdf ). Of the four that I listed above, I think the fact that it is accredited under the "Harrisburg Area Community College" name is more significant. You indicated when the article moved that you had gotten confirmation from a specific person, but I couldn't find any documentation on a legal name change for the school. Do you have that?Naraht (talk) 18:57, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

"Colloquialisms" actually are the main basis for how articles are named. See WP:COMMONNAME. Any discussion of the school's "official" name is secondary to the question of what name is primarily used by reliable sources. Toohool (talk) 02:19, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:49, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

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HACC, Central Pennsylvania's Community College → Harrisburg Area Community College –} Request made 10 August 2012 by user:Danielklotz using template:movenotice on the article page no explanation for the move given in the article history or on the talk page.-- PBS (talk) 16:55, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I talked to User:PBS, and I'm following up with a comment. I feel that Toohool's research fulfills the reason as to why the move should be made and it should be re-requested or someone should be WP:BOLD.Naraht (talk) 18:07, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I presume you mean the information this edit on 9 August 2012. There is no need to re-request this move and now it is a formal RM no one ought to be bold, but leave the move until the RM is closed when closing admin can asses if there is a consensus to move. -- PBS (talk) 18:23, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support Current title is unacceptable. The "Central Pennsylvania's Community College" part of the title is just a slogan, not part of the actual name. I also noticed that article title complaint on this page for some time ago, which shows how the article was moved to its current title. However, that IP that moved it here did not present any sufficient evidence to back his argument to do so. Hill Crest's WikiLaser (Boom!) 20:03, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot about the other subsection which is about the slogan. Sorry about that. Hill Crest's WikiLaser (Boom!) 20:05, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Just a slogan. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:40, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
• Support. Just a slogan and not used by local media. Naraht (talk) 13:55, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

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