Talk:Hausa people/Archive 1
March 2006
editThe total number of Hausa speaking people is far larger than 20 million. Remember that in Nigeria only, abb. 27 million people are Hausa (22%) and in Niger the proportion is much larger. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Transylvanian (talk • contribs)
- Indeed. I've adjusted the number, citing two recent sources. If anyone has better sources, feel free to correct. — mark ✎ 08:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
There is many hausa in saudi arabia who speak arabic
Religion
editHi! I disagree with the information posted under the "Religion" section of the Hausa people. Muslims believe in the "jinn" and the Quran/Koran has even a chapter on the "Jinn". Also, the miracles of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and the saints ("awliya") are also accepted by all Muslims. These are accepted beliefs in Islam. The "Kadiriya" (or Qadiriya) are those Muslims who are spiritually connected to Shaykh Abdul Qadir Gilani (RA) of Baghdad, Iraq. Unfortunately, who ever has written this section does not know much about the Islamic beliefs and traditions of the Hausa Muslims. I would recommend a complete revamping of this section. Thanks, Syed (Oct 7th,2006 5:47 PM US Eastern Time)
- I think you are largely right. The section should be rewritten based on reliable sources; right now, it doesn't seem to conform to WP:NPOV and it even looks like parts of it may be original research. Do you have good sources yourself to base a rewrite on? — mark ✎ 09:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Hausa Christians About 6% to 10% of Hausa people in areas like Kaduna and Jos are Christians. They are typically called "Katafawa" an area which most of the Hausa people there are Christains alike. So I think it is important to include this in the Religious section. Thanks, --Auwal87 (talk) 13:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
- I don't think you are right Auwal87. The Katafawa are called The Atyap people, also known as the Kataf by the Hausa people, are an ethnic group that occupy part of the Zangon-Kataf Local Government Area of Kaduna State, Nigeria. They speak the Tyap language, one of the West Plateau languages. So this section should be rewritten as earlier stated by Syed. Thank You,Usmanumar0821 (talk) 13:16, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Why Oduduwa in Hausa
editWhat is the meaning of Oduduwa in the Section of Hausa? Oduduwa is the Leader Yoruba tribe, and Hausa people are estimated to be 15 Million not 40 Million as stated in the article...
- Fixed by providing a properly sourced population estimate. — mark ✎ 12:36, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Contradictions, Absurdities, and Propoganda
editAnyone else think it's weird that this page suddenly lists "roughly 300 million" as the total population at the top?
There were two outlandishly non-neutral POV sections. I deleted both.
The first was on religious violence in Nigeria. First, the section was couched in terms of one religion versus another, when the article is about an ethnic group. Further, there was not a single NPOV sentence which could be saved as an (unverified) factual claim. And, there were no citations. It was made up of subjective and unverifiable claims, interspersed with unreferenced statistics. This may be a valid subtopic for this article, and certainly merits a full article, but there was nothing usable in this section.
The second was the second half of the Religion section. As pointed out above, belief in jinn, the effectiveness of magic, miracles, saints, and the like are all part of orthodox Sunni Islamic belief. (They are, in fact, articles of faith, attested to in the major credal texts.) The section even referred to as specifically un-Qur'anic the "attribution of miracles to Muhammad, and belief in saints," where as the Qur'an quite explicitly attributes miracles to the Prophet and identifies individuals and groups as possessing the qualities of "saints." The section mentioned a procedure of community approval of beliefs which used the term '`ijma' from canonical Islamic law. The author was either: imprecisely describing a real process which should be redescribed and given a citation, creating or repeating a libelous accusation against the people described, or trying to paint the actual orthodox concept of `ijma - one of the foundations of Islamic Law - as anti-Qur'anic. Given the bias exhibited in the rest of the section I assumed it was one of the latter two, and deleted it with the rest.
The article remains a mess. Notably it cites two different centuries for the introduction of Islam to the Hausa, there are no citations, and the writing is generally sloppy and imprecise, with hints of either bias or 'original research' (i.e. unverifiable opinion) scattered throughout.
Rewrite needed
editI think this article needs a rewrite, since their isn't really much encyclopedic information once you have cut away the biased and/or unverifiable content. http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0001-9720%28196807%2938%3A3%3C253%3ATOOTN%27%3E2.0.CO%3B2-5&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage is one link which may be of use. I'll start working on this eventually. Picaroon (t) 04:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- I've started a draft at User:Picaroon/Hausa people. If anyone else wants to work on it with me, we can move it to Talk:Hausa people/Rewrite. Picaroon (t) 21:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- I'd like to work a bit on the history section, but I'd prefer not to do so in off-mainspace seclusion. I believ the improvements and discussion, unless it gets outright hostile, should be kept here as much as possible.
- Peter Isotalo 12:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Africa project importance rating
editI added a "High" importance to this for the Africa project (perhaps colored by it being VERY high importance to Niger). I've got my hands full at the moment, but I'd like to nudge some other folks in the direction of working here. T L Miles (talk) 15:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Emmigration/Immigration
editThe article cites that many Hausa are moving to the coastal cities of Lagos, Accra, Kumasi, and Cotonou as well as to Libya. There are no sources for this information and I can find no reference in any article I have seen that puts a Hausa in Libya. Even this Wiki does not list Libya as a country the Hausa reside in. Although I'm unsure of the cities, I do think that the Libya reference should be deleted. SireEby (talk) 07:26, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
There certainly are Hausa in Libya, particularly now with economic migrants from Niger and Northern Nigeria looking for work in the large cities. The BBC has reports that mention this fact including from: [1]. Also an article from All Africa.com begins: Tens of thousands of Nigeriens work in Libya [allafrica.com/stories/200708201411.html] There's a LONG history of trans-Saharan trade between Libya and Niger. The first missionaries to the Hausa actually first went to Tripoli to learn the language at the end of the 19th century because of the size of the Hausa trading community and the relative ease to enter Tripoli. See [2] --193.251.220.110 (talk) 18:59, 15 September 2009 (UTC)Tom Johnson The Hausa settled in Libya through the trans-sahara trade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.184.236 (talk) 07:14, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Orphaned references in Hausa people
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Reference named "Falola":
- From Muhammadu Attahiru I: Falola, Toyin (2009). Historical Dictionary of Nigeria. Lanham, Md: Scarecrow Press.
- From Bantu peoples: Toyin Falola, Aribidesi Adisa Usman, Movements, borders, and identities in Africa, (University Rochester Press: 2009), pp.4-5.
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Genetics for ethnic groups RfC
editFor editors interested, there's an RfC currently being held: Should sections on genetics be removed from pages on ethnic groups?. As this will almost certainly result in the removal of the "genetics" section from this article, I'd encourage any contributors to voice their opinions there. --Katangais (talk) 20:04, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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Proposal for new WikiProject
editI see that at Wikipedia: WikiProject Council, some one has left a proposal for a new WikiProject - WikiProject (go to the "Proposals for new WikiProjects" sections of the WikiProject Council page). Maybe some readers and editors of this article would be interested in joining this WikiProject? Vorbee (talk) 18:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC) What? Wikiproject Hausa? Doesn't exist. Otherwise may not be relevant here. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 07:47, 2 October 2021 (UTC) Perhaps this and its surrounding head(ing/er)s? Bokoharamwatch (talk) 07:50, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
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