Talk:Havana (Camila Cabello song)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2017

record report venezuela (anglo chart) peak number 5 Lerfxv239 (talk) 21:40, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

The link still says 70 to me? Stickee (talk) 01:28, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2017

Scotland does NOT have an independent chart. It contributes to the UK Singles Chart. Scotland is a part of the United Kingdom, and this needs to be rectified. 90.252.153.93 (talk) 01:56, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes it does: http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/scottish-singles-chart/ It also contributes to the UK Singles Chart. Ss112 02:16, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

My point is that the Scottish Singles Chart is not autonomous. Its listings reflect how sales towards the UK Singles Chart are fairing in Scotland. It would be like Billboard Magazine in the United States publishing a Texas Hot 100 that showed how sales towards the centralised Billboard Hot 100 were fairing in Texas. Would Texas then be listed as a separate geographical entity when stating where songs were number one or peaked within the top ten at the start of a chart-based Wikipedia entry? I think not. In the same vane, Scotland should not be listed as a separate country at the start of a chart-based Wikipedia entry - or anywhere in the article at all! Therefore, only the "United Kingdom" and "UK Singles Chart" should be listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.252.153.93 (talk) 02:54, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm very well aware how the UK charts work, thanks. But "should not be mentioned anywhere in the article at all" would mean removing its chart entry from the charts section as well, and until Wikipedia decides the Scottish chart is not worth having an encoded single chart entry for, there's nothing wrong with listing it there. I agree with your view point occasionally—if Scotland were listed as one of the maximum 10 columns on a discography and taking the place of another independent country, then I might agree with removing it. Now that the song has reached number one overall in the UK, a case could be made that it's redundant to mention, but mostly on that basis—not that we should never mention the Scottish chart in prose. Ss112 03:07, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Next they'll be counting Catalonia as a separate Singles Chart to Spain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.252.153.93 (talk) 21:44, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

It very well may be, if the country becomes independent. Such a slippery slope! @90.252.153.93: Ss112 00:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Hmmmm.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.255.77.202 (talk) 18:06, 18 November 2017 (UTC) I never knew that Venezuela has a Singles Chart.

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2017

Add this below " DylanDean (talk) 13:10, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sakura Cartelet^Talk 14:25, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2018

Camila Cabello recently performed "Havana" at the New Year's Eve Ball Drop on December 31, 2017, in New York City. This needs to be added in the "Live performances" section which currently does not mention this live performance. After the sentence "She also performed the song at the LOS40 Music Awards[36] and the MTV Europe Music Awards.[37] Her performance at the MTV EMAs was ranked as the best of the night by Billboard writer Joe Lynch.[38]" this should be added "Her most recent live performance was on December 31, 2017, in New York City at the 2018 New Year's Eve celebration." As a source, this link can be used: https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8085652/camila-cabello-havana-perform-new-years-eve-in-times-square-dick-clark-ryan-seacrest

Thank you!

Carolinesolomon (talk) 18:40, 7 January 2018 (UTC) Carolinesolomon (talk) 18:40, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:35, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2018

i cant edit it. 68.230.116.83 (talk) 00:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

•  Not done. The article is protected because of persistent vandalism. The protection is not likely to be lifted for your convenience. If you request a specific change to the article then someone else can edit it for you. Binksternet (talk) 00:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Record producer (should it include vocals)

There's an open discussion about the above topic at: Template_talk:Infobox_song#Vocal_Production. Comments welcome. → Lil-℧niquԐ 1 - { Talk } - 19:55, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2018

Change the peak postion number on the Japan Hot 100, its currently at #28 not #63 https://www.billboard.com/music/camila-cabello/chart-history/japan-hot-100 78.19.52.60 (talk) 18:54, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Done: The Billboard page you linked doesn't list the song's Japan Hot 100 peak as number 28, but this one (which is one week ahead) does. LifeofTau 20:21, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I Don't Think Having An Indefinite Semi-Protection Is Okay. Who Did This Anyway?

Not less than a year ago, some admin snuck up on the protection log and decided to do this.

I know she only released a few singles but this isn't okay for an artist like her to have a small number of songs in her discography.

It probably got locked when it became an official single. Happened sometime in late September/early October of the preceding year.

Lastly I guess you Ss112 should limit the protection level until Columbus Day. That will be strongly appreciated.

With love,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 16:43, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Camila hasn't had many released as a solo artist. This page isn't semi protected. The reason pages are semi protected are to protect articles from vandalism. If you have a specific edit to make, you can do this by requesting on the talk page of the article in question. → Lil-℧niquԐ 1 - { Talk } - 21:47, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 1 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain ^t/c 13:36, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

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Havana (Camila Cabello song) → Havana (song) – Surprised this hasn’t been done already. This is obviously the most popular song by this name, and gets more views than every other "Havana" song. Some may even argue that it’s more known than Camila Cabello herself, thus making using her name as disambiguation redundant. NØ 19:38, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

• Strong oppose WP:TITLE WP:NCMUSIC this is not the only Havana song with an article. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:18, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
• Strong oppose per In ictu oculi and WP:INCDAB. Between articles that are already disambiguated, relative popularity doesn't mean one "wins" the shorter disambig. -- Netoholic @ 01:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
• Support. There is no other article currently on WP that is using the title. It seems fairly obvious that virtually everyone looking for a song called "Havana" wants this song.[1] A hatnote to Havana (Kenny G composition) and/or the dab page is more than sufficient. Station1 (talk) 17:42, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Havana (Kenny G song) was moved to Havana (Kenny_G_composition) by undiscussed move 09:54, 21 December 2017‎ Giangkiefer. The problem is that the Kenny G song is still a song by standard parlance and Havana (Camila Cabello song) is still not the only song with an article. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:00, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

"Composition" is the correct qualifier for instrumentals per WP:SONGDAB. I agree some people may think of it as a song, but the fact that fewer than 1 in 300 readers are seeking it as compared to the Cabello song, and that the redirect to the dab page gets nearly as many hits as the Kenny G composition, combined with the composition being at its best title, makes me think a hatnote is all that is needed for the tiny number who might wind up at the wrong article. Station1 (talk) 08:16, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per In ictu oculi and WP:INCDAB. (Maybe "Havana (song)" should be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to the Camila Cabello song?) Paintspot Infez (talk) 12:34, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
• Strong oppose per In inctu oculi. There are many other songs with this exact same title. De88 (talk) 22:53, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per aforementioned oppositions. Plus "the most popular song" idea only reflects contemporary viewpoints. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a mainstream news outlet to reflect popular/well-known phenomena of the modern world. HĐ (talk) 12:26, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

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Same Old Love

Sources have talked about the similarity between Havana and Same Old Love. 68.195.141.2 (talk) 03:28, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

List the sources here if you’d like this added to the article.—NØ 04:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

See aminoapps.com/c/selenators/page/blog/camila-cabello-accused-of-plagiarizing-selenas-song-same-old-love/Kx1K_KWSMuw05o0N6klaKV0D8n3gpK7dwo 68.195.141.2 (talk) 00:41, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

That source is not reliable. The url includes "selenators/page/blog" so...-NØ 10:17, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

See themuse.jezebel.com/first-harmony-i-mean-camila-cabello-is-back-with-new-1797534924 68.195.141.2 (talk) 22:56, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 18:27, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Infobox

• Is the release date wrong? Should be the first time it is released so "August 3, 2017" according to the section of release history.
• It wasn't just NightBird Recording Studios studio, either mention all of them where the track was recorded or none.
• Remove the source as its name is listed below.
• Louis Bell needs a songwriting credit below on the section.

Lead

• Citations need to be removed and add to the body of the article.
• Needs to be re-writen after massive changes in te body of the article.
• Add genre of the song and its influences and something from the crtiical repection, could perhaps mention it made the cut of several year-end lists.

Composition

• Fix citation given and very likely to find more information in other reviews.
• If not add the release history or background of the song here 1 and 2, perhaps she gave other interviews (as I'm sure you will you can make a new section with both topics here)

Critical reception

• Billboard quote needs to be trimmed down, I advise the use of your own words.
• Popjustice ranked it 19th,[27] while The Fader ranked it 48t -> rank in what? The year-end lists you need to mention it. I would make this a new paragraph. On top of that, add the ones below.

Accolades

• This section is nothing, needs a written summary.

Chart performance

• Despite some grammar mistakes, which can be easily amended the biggest problem I find here is the lack of information. The song topped the chart in various countries besides the US, Uk and Australia. I'm not saying to mention every single one of them, but Canada, France and Ireland and among others such as New Zealand, Denmark, Netherlands and Germany could easily be added here, along with respective certifications. Take a pick honestly. I would strongly advise dividing in at least two subsections the commercial performance (change the title of this section as well).

Music video

• None of this paragraphs right now seem with enough information to have a sub-section, try to expand the background if possible and the reception. If not just remove the subsections. Keeeping the same paragraphs expet the last two, must be merged into one.

Background

• "Cabello shared a 26-second preview of the short film for "Havana" on October 22, 2017, through her YouTube channel" → A 26-second preview of the music video for "Havana" was posted on October 22, 2017, through Cabello's YouTube channel. (We can't be sure if it was her who posted, most likely not)

Synopsis

• Could be more descpritve in the beggining, taking into considertaion the Billboad, Rolling Stone source.
• The last sentence is supported by Billboard and Rolling Stone.
• Should mentio the dedication as seen on the Variety source.
• There are probably other websites who also describe different parts of the video.

Reception

• Music video reviews? critics probably you can find stuff on MTV, Idolator, Variety and son on...

Formats and track listings

• I would like a more clean up section it seems everthyhing is on top of evertyhing. We might do some changes later but I have to see if its is worth or not.
• Two collums would be enough.

Credits and personnel

• I would remove the Management sub-section, but you can leave it. I won't be picky about it.

Weekly charts

• Remove Bulgaria, Euro Digital Songs Hungary (Stream Top 40), Hungary (Rádiós Top 40), Mexico Monitor Latino, Romania (Romania TV Airplay), Singapore (RIAS) and Spain Digital Song Sales (Billboard)[. I have to do deeper research on "Brazil Streaming" and Japan Hot Overseas (Billboard)

Year-end charts

• Remove Hungary (Stream Top 40), Spain Top 50 Radio Songs (PROMUSICAE), South Korea (Gaon), Japan Streaming Songs (Billboard Japan) as these are component charts. I have to do some research regarding the Japan overseas.
• There isn't such a thing as Worldwide. That should be in the commerical performance as it was the best-selling single of 2018.

All-time charts

• Really? Just remove it.

Certifications and sales

• I would move the South Korea sales to the commercial performance section as they don't certify songs or albums.
• Can you point me in the Argentina source where is the platinum certification? Can't seem to find it.
• FIMI don't use the Twitter, but the original one instead

Release history

• Remove the dates with the sources for NRJ and That's Whatt I call Music: Now as they are used from compilation albums and not the song "solo", per say.

See also

• Fine

References

• Ref 121, 135, 137 143, 168 and 185 are dead, as well as "HAVANA ORIGINAL VERSION – BMI {{ ! | } Repertoire Search (info)"
• Try not to use so many Youtube sources, I'm pretty sure you can find xternal sources (articles from publications) stating the release of the vertical video, remixes, as well why is there spotify playlist? Once again external sources.
• Most sources are not well formater, ither they miss date, authors, work, accessdate or are not formate at all. Please "NOT EVERYTHING IN ALL CAPS" as you have several sources like that, the italian radio dates for example.
• Don't need to link the same work/publicatio twice for example Billboard articles, Youtube and Official Charts Company, for example
• Hollywood Life, dbase.tube are not reliable sources at all.

External links

• Fine

Overall

• Don't address any changes until I say so

  I am aware that you haven't finished this review yet, but remember; there shouldn't be any refs in the infobox and lead. --Kyle Peake (talk) 18:59, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: I'm aware of that, but some exceptions can be made. However, this is not the case. Nevertheless, thank you. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:10, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

• Taking into consideration the good article criteria, not only I can't approve this article, but I also have to fail it. To begin with, it is far from being Broad in its coverage as it is missing several sections as a background when information regarding such can be found as I displayed here, a personal and history release section in prose. Other sections are lacking various information. It is not Verifiable as some sources are not reliable and others are volatile such as Spotify and Youtube when they can easily be replaced. Some sections are not well written so a Guild of Copy Editors submission is advised after massive changes in the article.
• The changes I'm asking for will take over the 7 day period as they require research with verifiable sources, as well as a major expansion of most sections. Feel free to ask any questions. Kind regards, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:32, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 14 October 2019

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The result of the move request was: Not moved An April 2019 requested move found consensus that the page should stay where it is, and no new arguments have been presented. There is no consensus in this discussion. Taken together it seems consensus has not changed, and the article should remain in place. (closed by non-admin page mover) Wug·a·po·des​ 01:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

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Havana (Camila Cabello song) → Havana (song) – Unnecessary disambiguation. This is the only actual song with this name, other than the Kenny G composition of the same name. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 22:48, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Songs are composed too, you know. This would create unnecesary confusion. In common parlance, all popular recordings, including instrumentals, are called "songs". Besides, there are other compositions called "Havana" by Echomen, Eric Kupper, Tómas R. Einarsson, etc. as well as several standards recorded by Bebo Valdés, Frank Emilio Flynn and others with the title "Habana". Neodop (talk) 15:45, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Previous RM from a few months ago. Neodop (talk) 16:31, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
    • Yes but we could leave a hatnote. Also this song is way more notable than the other song that relies on a single source. And the other compositions don't have articles. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 20:58, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

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