Talk:Have Heart

Have Heart vs. Free

There is a single person (User:Issan_Sumisu) that is claiming that Free is the new name of Have Heart instead of a new band. This person fights a wikipedia edit war with many people and don't give any sources. To all my understanding Free is a total separate entity, doesn't play Have Heart songs live, have it's own web pages and doesn't have any another connection to their old band. The newly announced one time reunion of Have Heart (while Free is still an active band) also proves the point. Please stop this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810A:8C0:78:541C:562A:EB25:2E73 (talk) 07:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

I have provided sources, it's just that no other editor has provided any proof that they are not the same band, we already have exclaim.ca/music/article/have_heart_members_reunite_as_free_drop_demo cited, saying "Have Heart Members Reunite as Free", and I think another important point is that the band's reunion lineup, is the exact same as Free's lineup. Issan Sumisu (talk) 08:30, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

To quote your "source": "Six years on from the demise of Massachusetts hardcore crew Have Heart, the bulk of the band have reunited for a new project called Free." All the other sources say the same if you just read behind the headline. You have to proof or source your claims not the other way around. And your provided sources fail on that (User:Issan_Sumisu) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810A:8C0:78:541C:562A:EB25:2E73 (talk) 10:40, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Here's three more sources saying they're the same band: www.kerrang.com/features/new-jerseys-back-to-school-jam-is-the-ultimate-east-coast-hardcore-festival/, killyourstereo.com/news/1103951/a-love-letter-to-have-hearts-final-album-songs-to-scream-at-the-sun/ and digboston.com/fiddlehead-how-to-have-heart-post-death/. Issan Sumisu (talk) 11:04, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

And now here is the problem Issan Sumisu: All articles you are put up now are released after you introduced the changes here in wikipedia. One of them even use the exact same phrase as you are using here. They don't give out there sources but I would not be surprised if they use wikipedia directly and quote your false statement. This is circular sourcing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reporting) and doesn't validate your claim even if you put up 10 other articles that are based on your version of wikipedia. If you read the interview www.noecho.net/interviews/pat-flynn-free-have-heart-interview (which is a direct source) you would get quotes hinting your point "FREE is Have Heart with a different name. The spirit is the same..." but also get the total opposite "We’re not trying to recreate Have Heart. Hence why we didn’t just start back up as “Have Heart.”". If you read the interview in total however, then you get a good impression, that it's not just a new name and the first quote is more a comparison then taken literally.

The source that uses the same words (which is also notably simple phrasing that anyone would use) is Kerrang, which is considered very reliable, so I very much doubt its circular souring, and what do you have to say about Free having every member in common with the recently announced tour lineup, that seems very important. Issan Sumisu (talk) 12:08, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

No that's not important as a band isn't defined by it's members. This is not the first time and not the last time that the same people have different bands (sometimes even at the same time). They don't play Have Heart songs live. And now they announce a one time reunion of Have Heart (which would be total pointless if they were the active band Free). I'm sure that you can't be convinced by any argument at the time. But this wikipedia page isn't your property and the majority of the people see the sources and come to the same conclusions as me, that you are wrong on this topic and vandalizing the article with your believes even if it's not backed up by valid(!) sources. And no: A random article from Kerrang that appeared after you changed this article is no valid source if they don't give out there sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810A:8C0:78:541C:562A:EB25:2E73 (talk) 12:25, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm really sorry if this causing you distress, it wasn't my intention, but I'm not claiming to own the page, and I'm not vandalising nor including unsourced content, I have provided you with multiple reliable sources on this topic, and the only thing we can do at this point is wait for other people's opinions to weigh in so that we can reach a consensus on this. Issan Sumisu (talk) 00:01, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. They aren't the same band, the members just got together to start a new band. Mention it as a side project, fine, but to say Have Heart has been back together since 2015, going under the name and releasing music as Free, is bizarre. Listing the Free Demo and Ex Tenebris as Have Heart releases is crazy. Have Heart just announced reunion shows and Free is still a band. Same members, different bands. User:notoriousxxx (talk) 21:34, 1 March 2019

Can someone please flag the article and seek for a resolution? Changes keeps reverted even if all (except one) user agree on the topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810A:8C0:78:E8CF:966F:69AB:39F8 (talk) 11:59, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

By the way, I would prefer if you don't resort to personal attacks, we're here to discuss content not people, and also that two users agreeing on a topic is not "all except one". Thanks, Issan Sumisu (talk) 12:39, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

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I added some info on a last ep they might release. My english isn't that good so if someone wants to correct it for mistakes it would be appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.201.28.242 (talk) 12:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Are they a christian band? Failureface (talk) 03:47, November 9, 2008

Not that I'm aware of, could be. Is it just me or does anybody else think the article has enough external references to not need a 'citations' disclaimer? I for one would reccomend removing it. --Freikorp (talk) 10:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

While it has some external references, there is only 1 citation in the whole article. Mpete510 (talk) 17:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Removed notability tag, Have Heart have made the Billboard 200 which I believe is notable, I also fail to see how this article violates NPOV so that tag has been removed also, please discuss if you disagree.--Freikorp (talk) 16:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

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