Talk:He (pronoun)

Gender-neutral pronouns template

This is a dis-ambiguation page, so I don't see how the template is for this article. Perhaps an article on Generic male could make sense here. Any opinions?? Georgia guy 00:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Concur. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-02-14 13:49Z

I agree. This is actually what I was looking for. --Rueckk 15:37, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

i Agree, disambiguation pages should not contain templates, but rather than generic male i think He (pronoun) or Pronoun would be better but further, i dont actually think "He" is gender neutral (We can save that for the He (pronoun) talk page). Some thing 17:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 08:25, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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He → He (pronoun) – article about word 73.183.64.164 (talk) 00:14, 22 June 2014 (UTC) primary is person

• Oppose. As long as this article on the word exists, it should remain as the primary topic of the term "He". Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:13, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is clearly the primary topic. Kennethaw88 • talk 14:33, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose per above - Clearly a primary topic. –Davey2010 • (talk) 18:06, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

• Comment Did you notice this one? You are just wasting your time adding this individually. Next time, follow this format.

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Requested move 18 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved (non-admin closure) JC7V (talk) 04:09, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

• He → He (pronoun)
• He (disambiguation) → He

– If wikipedia were a dictionary, then the English pronoun would undoubtedly be the primaryt topic. But it isn't. Also, the article about the pronoun receives only a fraction of the pageviews of the sample of entries on the dab page that I tried: [1]. – Uanfala (talk) 16:56, 18 November 2018 (UTC) --Relisted. Paine Ellsworth, ed.  ^put'r there  04:26, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:NOTDIC is not relevant here unless we delete the article at He. I'm fairly sure that this is primary by long-term significance and what people would expect to find at this title. This appears to be what comes up mainly in Google although it mainly shows definitions, it is the main definition. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:10, 18 November 2018 (UTC) Weak oppose based on the views given below. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:59, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

The reference to NOTDIC was more in relation to the fact that ...well, we aren't a dictionary: people come to wikipedia to read about encyclopedic topics, not so much to look up the meaning of everyday English words. And I'm not sure we can use long-term significance to decide here: there aren't any recentisms, are there? – Uanfala (talk) 17:31, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

The only that I can see (apart from abbreviations that would use "HE") are He (letter) and He (letter). I'd say that those are relatively unheard of in English, compared to the pronoun. I doubt many readers would be astonished to land here. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:39, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Are we looking at the same page? He (disambiguation) lists about a dozen entities called "He" (not HE): He (kana), He (surname), He County, He (film), He (short story), etc. Even if we stick only to He (letter), this "relatively unheard of" topic gets on average 115 views per day, vs. 140 for the pronoun (which has the advantage of occupying the primary title). Even if the letter were the only contestant here, the pronoun would clearly fail WP:PTOPIC. – Uanfala (talk) 18:19, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

• Support. Per nom. Well spotted and and well argued. Dohn joe (talk) 18:37, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
• Procedural oppose If the nominator wants to make such an argument then surely she suffers from the same issue and should also be moved. It should be included in the discussion rather than be discussed peacemeal._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 05:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support, seems reasonable. A lot of the other He articles get similar page views, to say nothing of abbreviations like Helium. "She" is a different term with a different set of characteristics and articles, and is irrelevant here. —Xezbeth (talk) 08:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support. The pageview comparison for the last 12 months shows that there is no primary topic with respect to usage since He (letter) receives almost as much traffic as He despite having a more obscure title. I do not see a clear primary topic with respect to long-term significance between He (pronoun) and He (letter). — Newslinger talk 02:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - the pronoun is the primary topic throughout all English language use. This move should absolutely not be considered without simultaneously suggesting the same move for She. -- Netoholic @ 04:37, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

"She" is completely irrelevant and has absolutely no bearing on the ambiguity or primacy of this term. —Xezbeth (talk) 09:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I reckon She shouldn't be a primary topic either, but there's a different set of topics on She (disambiguation), a much larger proportion of which are derived from the English pronoun, so the situation is different and the arguments for and against are going to be different as well. For what it's worth, I believe that the two articles should be merged, probably also with some of the other personal pronouns: we don't need an article about every single function word of the English language, do we? – Uanfala (talk) 13:02, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. Very clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:23, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support per page view statistics and NOTDICT. Most importantly, readers aren't that interested in the pronoun, but even on an "importance" scale, the pronoun isn't clearly more relevant than rival topics like the kana, the letter, or the river. SnowFire (talk) 22:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Clear absence of a primary topic, given the wide extent to which the surname is used, and the fact that the chemical element Helium is abbreviated to the same capitalization. bd2412 T 18:25, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. That's enough to be the primary topic. --B dash (talk) 06:54, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
  • What does that mean? —  AjaxSmack  04:00, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
• Support The pageview statistics above demonstrate that the pronoun isn't what the majority of people are coming to an encyclopedia to try to look up. "Primary topic" does not mean "what first comes to mind", and although third-person pronouns in general are certainly an encyclopedic topic, this article is little more than an extended dictionary entry. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:40, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
• Support. WP:NOTDICT is enough, but the pageview stats seal the deal for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as well. —  AjaxSmack  04:00, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
• Support No primary topic, per AjaxSmack's link. Timmyshin (talk) 04:50, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
• Support pageview comparison shows that there is no primary topic. --219.76.15.6 (talk) 05:58, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
• Support power~enwiki (π, ν) 05:39, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

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Category Gender-neutral pronouns?

It seems the "Gender-neutral pronouns" template automatically generates membership in Category:Gender-neutral pronouns. But if basically masculine pronouns that can also be used as gender-neutral should qualify for that category, then a lot of languages have candidates (German, the Scandinavian languages, Spanish, Russian, to name just a few) – which would make the category largely meaningless. So is there a way to switch this automatic categorisation off? 151.177.56.148 (talk) 08:39, 2 March 2023 (UTC)