Talk:Headbutt

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For some reason, I'm trying to find the song Glasgow Kiss by John Petrucci, but I get redirected here. I'm not sure if there's a page on it or something's messed up. Can someone please fix this problem? Mzhang13 01:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

There are some terminological improvements that could be made. As far as I understand it, a hit with the head (or horns) is a "butt", and a "headbutt" is when you "butt" someone else's head.--Malcohol 17:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this comment. We need to be careful about moving definitions here. A "butt" is a blow struck with the head - just as a "punch" is a blow with a fist and a "kick" is a blow with the foot/leg. A "headbutt" is thus a blow TO the head. Probably, Zidane's action should be considered a "butt to the chest" or conceiveably a "chest-butt".

ref: [1], [2]

This guy [3] seems to feel differently. He calls what Zidane did a "classic forward head butt" CynicalMe 18:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think a journalist is the definative source on this one. However two reputable sources do seem divided on the issue [4] [5] Timb0h 09:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

It's just a simple matter of delivering one vs receiving one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 05:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Content of article

This reads a bit too much like a guide on how to headbutt. Perhaps a mention of the criminality and potential fatality of headbutts is warranted Timb0h 08:23, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make whatever changes you feel are needed. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in! (Although there are some reasons why you might like to…) The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome.--digital_me^{(TalkˑContribs)} 17:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes I may do it myself, if I get around to doing the research involved. Timb0h 11:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I also think a section on headbutts in the animal world would be a worthy addition to the page Timb0h 11:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The usage of Zidane's headbutt incident's photograph is questionable

Hi! Firstly, I have to say that my expreience with Wikipedia has been pleasant and fantastic.

Anyways, coming to the point, I believe that the use of Zidane's headbutting incident's photograph to illustrate a "headbuut on the chest" is highly objectionable. It first and foremost seems like a slander onto Zidane, then puts forth an incident that is under investigation in the public realm and finally sets a bad precedent for youngsters who will be reading the article. So, in accordance with Wiki's policies and my personal opinions on the issue, I have removed the picture. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.184.9.255 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to point out to you Wikipedia is not censored. Use of the photo is not slander, and I'd advise you to read up on what slander actually is. The investigation is into what Materazzi said—not about whether or not the headbutt occured, which it obviously did. So, I've restored the photograph.--digital_me^{(TalkˑContribs)} 22:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that the use of this photo is relevant to the article. Afterall, the focus of the article is not on the Zidane incident but the very broad action of headbutting. Zidane's is not the only headbutt and I feel like the addition of the photo is merely a reaction to the current event. It may be appropriate to link to the photo after the incident was mentioned under the soccer headbutting section. --CBenway

If you can find a better image of a headbutt, then please, by all means, replace the image of Zidane. Right now, however, it's the best image that could be found, and it *does* demonstrate a headbutt quite effectively.--digital_me^{(TalkˑContribs)} 00:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Do keep the Zidane photo. Wikipedia doesn't always have to use some dry, years-old example that would offend least. The Zidane incident will be the first thing millions think of when they hear "head-butt" for years, so it is a highly appropriate example. Plumsforsale 15:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Either keep the Zidane photo in or delete the reference to the photo later down. Keep it consistent. (AOMA)

The Zidane incident is a perfect example of a headbutt from a technical POV. We should keep it. CynicalMe 23:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

While I have no problem with the use of that photo for the reasons stated, I don't think it is a very good technical example. As has been said before, and as confirmed by various reputable dictionaries, a butt is made with the head, a headbutt is made with the head to the head. So the photo is not actually a headbutt, but just a butt. Timb0h 08:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

See my above comment on the technical aspect and the article I linked to (top of page). CynicalMe 18:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Some people are currently close to violating the Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. Please stop the Wikipedia:Edit war. Timb0h 13:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I though a headbutt made possibly in boxing or wrestling, but since it's a very high-profile headbutt we can keep it.--JForget 20:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I cannot think of a more famous headbutt... Can we please put the picture back in?--Greasysteve13 07:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

The image image:Zidane_headbut.jpg is copyrighted and only allowed under fair use. If you think the image can be allowed please add rationale to image:Zidane_headbut.jpg --Clawed 07:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

This is fair use.--Greasysteve13 09:05, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Can we get an animated version of it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.174.91.248 (talk) 01:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Headbutts in Horseracing

Having an entire section on this incident seems silly. I think the reference should be moved into another section or perhaps deleted altogether as not particularly relevant. (I guess I support the last option, though not strongly.) Your thoughts? Grandmasterka 07:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be a bit of recentism here. Have the two most famous headbutts only just happened withen the last month? I am of the opinion that this headbutt is not notable and should not be in the article. --Clawed 11:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Headbutts and the BBFC

I know headbutts on film are of concern to the BBFC, and whether they classify to PG or 12, but I can't seem to find anything specific in their guidelines to source it. Anyone willing to help? --90.240.34.177 01:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe The Matrix had been edited for the UK, very slightly, because of something to do with this. 212.159.45.102 (talk) 21:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Popuarity in soccer

What is the reason for the huge popularity of headbutts in soccer? I see no advantages of this technique over hitting the opponent with fist, knee or foot. Since this hardly ever happens - much in contrast to headbutts - there must be some deep reason I am not aware of.88.152.14.217 (talk) 21:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC) They are headbutting the ball al the time, so they're trained in it. --91.63.122.36 (talk) 21:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Reason is quite simple. During a soccer face-off it is normal to get in your opponent's face as close as possible without actually touching your opponent. You touch your opponent in any way form or shape lifting an arm or a leg probably causes and immediate red card. So you lock horns with your opponent and it is not unusual to actually press head to head without headbutting. But when one guy snaps .... hmmm ... there you have it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.234.243.3 (talk) 13:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

"Association Football?"

I'm American, so I'm not sure if this has any sort of different UK (or other) meaning, but seem to recall that you need a "with" in there. Could we clarify what it's supposed to be? Thanks; Venku Tur'Mukan (talk) 02:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, would it not be "fǘtbol" or something of the like? As I recall, that is a way to differentiate American football with soccer. Venku Tur'Mukan (talk) 03:00, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Association Football is the official (english) name for soccer. Or at least the specific rule-set used in the World Cup and most other multinational tournaments. Either way the link to the Wikipedia page should help clear up any confusion. I've personally never seen "fǘtbol" but I assume it must mean the same thing somewhere in the world because it redirects to the page on Association Football. 109.158.12.141 (talk) 22:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

How about in popular culture?

Part of the schtick, if you will, of Wesley Willis was that he headbutted people he met as opposed to shaking their hands. Most photos of Willis show a deep bruise of some sort on his forehead, which I always assumed to have been caused by this practice. Is this appropriate to mention in the article?

(Since this is copyright compliant (uploaded by the subject), here is a YouTube clip which illustrates what I was referring to. The relevant portion begins at 5:36.) RadioKAOS  – Talk to me, Billy 02:16, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

For that matter, something else came to mind. The article mentions use of the headbutt in professional wrestling. In years past, it was common for wrestlers who were "Americans of African descent" to use the headbutt, presumably to drive home the stereotype that black people are hard-headed. Bobo Brazil and Junkyard Dog led the way in not only using the headbutt, but "no-selling" when their opponents would use the headbutt on them. Once again, would this be an appropriate addition?RadioKAOS (talk) 07:48, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm neither British nor old enough to know about the "Boys from the Blackstuff", but is this really the prime example of headbutting in fiction? I gather the show was popular, but with only a handful of episodes, how prominent can it still be? Doing some basic googling doesn't really paint it as headbutting central. Only a few mentions and long dead links to videos. The other 'example' of "in wrestling and video games people often headbutt", does even léss to warrant this section. I'm not a soccer fan, and I know that doesn't count as fiction, but if there is to be a good human example, I think the Zidane angle has to be re-evaluated. I mean, they made an f-ing statue of thát. that even has its own article. but no mention here? Because we don't want to "slander" Zidane? 87.209.236.59 (talk) 08:43, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

French translation

I corrected the French translation. Headbutt has to be translated in French by "coup de boule" and not "coup de tête" as formerly written. "Coup de tête" means "impulse", "spur of the moment", and is used metaphorically. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A03F:52CC:7E00:1D5A:208F:E298:1FF9 (talk) 10:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

"has to" is such a dangerous term to use, especially in translations. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/coup_de_boule mentions that "Coup de boule" is a colloquial term, an alternative for "Coup de tête". Even the French version lists "Coup de tête" first https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/headbutt. Not to mention the French Wikipedia article is "Coupe de tête". While it ís (also) used metaphorically, it isn't done so exclusively. If you'll forgive the assumption: It's probably a good idea for non-native speakers to do some factual research, before changing foreign phrases because, in their still limited knowledge, it can mean only one thing. 87.209.236.59 (talk) 08:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

While I agree with the sentiment, you might want to look at the article before responding to old posts. There is no reason this English Wikipedia article should contain the French translation of the term, and, in fact it no longer does. It was correctly removed more than two months ago by user:Lethweimaster. Meters (talk) 08:43, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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In fiction: Reacher

I don’t know about the novels, but in the television series, Reacher pretty regularly uses headbutts on his various encounters. Maybe it’s worth mentioning in the respective section, since the headbutt frequency is definitely well above average. -- WA1TF0R^䷟ 18:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)