Talk:Cassils (artist)
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Contested deletion
editThis article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because it meets WP:GNG - significant coverage in The Guardian and Huffington Post as well as the subject of a published book (Doyle, Jennifer, Sex Objects: Art and the Dialect of Desire (Minneapolis: The University of Minnesota Press, 2006)). Also an award winner recognised by the Museum of Transgender Art. --Eleanor Massie (talk) 17:07, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Autobiography
editAutobiographies, especially self-promotional autobiographies full of WP:PEACOCK language, vague artist jargon and external link spam, are prohibited by several of our core policies (see also WP:COI). Wikipedia is no venue to promote your career. Someone more knowledgeable needs to overhaul the complete article or revert back to a pre-autobiography version. GermanJoe (talk) 11:54, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- On an additional note, "Further reading" should not contain a complete list of every possible mention, it should contain a qualified selection of the most relevant and useful links with unique information. Similarly, "Publications" should focus on notable main publications and need not include every minor work. GermanJoe (talk) 13:04, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Move discussion in progress
editThere is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Cassils which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 19:17, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Name of this person is Cassils
editThis article is currently titled, "Heather Cassils". This is incorrect. This person self-identifies as "Cassils" and is assertive about asking the media to use only that name. Per WP:IDENTITY and by most sources, Wikipedia should use that name.
I cannot execute this name change because currently "Cassils" the city is at that name. I requested a move at Talk:Cassils, Alberta. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Assuming there's no COI happening here, whatever happens to the title per WP:COMMONNAME, WP:FULLNAME still applies to the lead for all BLPs. WP:RS sources confirm the FULLNAME so it should not be removed. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:01, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- Also the biodata is incomplete. Birth year needed. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:01, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- No one is being paid for this request. I am here because WP:LGBT assists with name changes routinely.
- I posted the full name "Heather Cassils" in the first sentence of the article. The person used that name dozens or hundreds of times in past published media, so Wikipedia should clarify that "Heather Cassils" and "Cassils" in the published record refers to the same person. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:06, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
- I do not know where to find biodata for this person. That seems like a separate issue. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:08, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
- Generally per examples in WP:FULLNAME stage name comes second. See Prince (musician). Also (artist) is generally for painters. No, there's no easy way for finding DOB for bios. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:11, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
- @In ictu oculi: I agree that the naming style I used here is not entirely compliant with WP:FULLNAME. However, I think that FULLNAME itself is internally inconsistent, because it already contains an exception clause about LGBT persons.
- In the case of Prince that person had a stage name that was their common name but also kept their birth name. In the case of many LGBT people the name change is not a stage name, but rather leaving behind a wikt:deadname or some variation of that concept. I could talk this through for this case if you thought this could be productive. Otherwise, I am helping to compile a case book of instances like this to develop a general policy since I think that similar discussions about names of LGBT people have happened on wiki at least 100 times and I expect this to become more common. I want to log all the discourse so that the discussion does not need to be developed for every case. Right now, I am not sure what expectations or requirements wiki should have to make a decision.
- Do you have a suggestion which fits better than "artist"? "Photographer"? "Model"? My first thought is that this person is primarily known because they have been the subject of their own photography. It is not what anyone would typically imagine when thinking of photography, modeling, or bodybuilding, but I think people would understand if it were labeled as "art". Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:21, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
- Fair point. As you say LGBT persons can be excepted it seems from WP:FULLNAME as long as the original name is not erased. As it is now maintains the letter and spirit of the guideline. Re ( ), I would think (performance artist) is usally best, but don't have strong objection to (artist) in this case. Let it be. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:31, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
- Generally per examples in WP:FULLNAME stage name comes second. See Prince (musician). Also (artist) is generally for painters. No, there's no easy way for finding DOB for bios. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:11, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
- Also the biodata is incomplete. Birth year needed. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:01, 13 August 2017 (UTC)