Talk:Cassils, Alberta

Requested move 13 August 2017

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The result of the move request was: Withdrew/modified proposal, created disambiguation page. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:50, 14 August 2017 (UTC) Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:50, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

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• Cassils → Cassils, Alberta
• Heather Cassils → Cassils

– There are two issues here.

1. Heather Cassils's 2016 audience traffic is 10x the traffic of Cassils, Alberta and is the subject of much more media coverage. These facts make the person the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.
2. Heather Cassils is incorrectly named. This person self-identifies as "Cassils" and is assertive about asking the media to use only that name. Per WP:IDENTITY and by most sources, Wikipedia should use that name.

Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:13, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

I posted related discussions at Talk:Heather_Cassils#Name_of_this_person_is_Cassils and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies#Name_change_issue. Still, I think the move can go forward now. I would like the technical move even if conversation might be ongoing, because I do not expect any controversy. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:26, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Mmm, I appreciate it was done in good faith, but technically that can be seen as WP:CANVASSING to post a note on one WProject Talk page and not do so on WPCanada, WPAlberta (if there is such a project) WPGeography. It would have been be better to let the normal process run. No harm done, but just for reference. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:51, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Agree The rational for this seems reasonable to me. Peaceray (talk) 20:54, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

• Neutral on first move Cassils is a commonish Scottish family name, the Alberta village and Heather Cassils both coming from that family name which seems to related to an alternative spelling of Earl of Cassilis, pronounced "Cassils". Cassils (disambiguation) might be better placed over the village, or might not.

Oppose second move there are two parts to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, passing the second is the easy bit, much more difficult to pass the first criteria for an individual claiming sole rights to a surname. Alternative move If it's important to remove "Heather" from the BLP title as a transgender body performance artist then fine, no objection. The Guardian Heather Cassils: the transgender bodybuilder who attacks heaps of clay so Cassils (performance artist) Cassils (bodybuilder) etc. no problem. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:05, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

• Disambiguate. It is common for people and places to be named after something bigger, in this case a Scottish family name. The hamlet is by no means the primary topic, and should be moved back to "Cassils, Alberta". But, I am not seeing evidence that the body builder can claim primary topic of a name, and other options for an article title should be considered. 117Avenue (talk) 05:21, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
• Withdraw proposal I want to repropose this in another way. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:51, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

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Move

I executed the following moves -

• Cassils → Cassils, Alberta
• Heather Cassils → Cassils (artist)
• Now Cassils is a disambigutation page.

@In ictu oculi and 117Avenue: Thanks for comments. Does disambiguation resole everything for now? If the performance artist is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC then that can be taken up after the disambiguation. Cool? Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:14, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

That's good. Though WP:FULLNAME should still be followed in lead. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:07, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Looks good to me, however the links to Cassils should have been fixed before the disambiguation page was moved to that title. 117Avenue (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

@117Avenue: Can you take a look at the incoming links and tell me what you see? I would like to fix incoming links, but I do not see any, and if you see something that I do not I would appreciate if you could tell me what to check next time.

For further discussion about the person anyone can meet me on the talk page for the person. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:25, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Looks like there were no incoming links, just the ones from Template:Subdivisions of Alberta. 117Avenue (talk) 16:54, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Resolved

Thanks. I will check in the future. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:14, 16 August 2017 (UTC)