Talk:Heiningen

Requested move 9 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Raladic (talk) 20:41, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Heiningen → Heiningen, Baden-Württemberg – Per page views, it seems rather unclear how to distinguish a primary topic between the current de facto primary topic and Heiningen, Lower Saxony. For this reason, the current de facto primary topic should be displaced and the former title replaced with a disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 07:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Waqar💬 19:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support, create DAB at base name.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Town against small village. Clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  "Town against small village" doesn't seem to be a reason to prefer one over the other if neither one of them are inherently notable to readers of English, which is the audience this Wikipedia caters to. Otherwise, there doesn't seem to be any evidence yet presented to designate a primary topic here. Steel1943 (talk) 14:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  Being “inherently notable to readers of English” is the basic threshold to meet for being an article on the English WP and is therefore a presumed given for both articles. It has nothing to do with determining PT. Being more or less notable is not a criteria to consider. The only relevant criteria are 1) relative likelihood of being sought, and 2) historical significance. —-В²C ☎ 21:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

  Neither one is more notable than the other, size be darned without clarity which subject is more "historical" than the other. And it seems obvious one of my points was missed, but I have no desire to discuss it further; stick dropped as I don't see this debate going anywhere productive. Steel1943 (talk) 22:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

  Per the page view data to which you linked, it shows 71 vs 10 views favoring the current de facto primary topic. The daily average shown is 3 vs 0. No contest. Not sure which point you think you made that was missed, but I don’t think you made the point you think you made. Perhaps you think being at the base name may explain the higher page views? That’s not how it works. The vast majority of page views come directly from search engines like Google, which takes users directly to their desired article. Anyone who Google searches with “Heiningen” will see both targets in the search results and will select the Lower Saxony one if that’s what they’re seeking. Heck, WP Search does that too. There’s no reason to believe a significant number of this page’s views are from people looking for the other one. —В²C ☎ 22:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Page views and populations (5000 vs 300) demonstrate PT by usage as well as by historical significance. Remember that it’s easier to clear the usage criteria hurdle when there is only one other topic that uses the name in question. —В²C ☎ 21:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.