Talk:Heinrich Steinhöwel

Imported references

Is it considered all right or not to cite a reference from another Wik page without actually seeing the source and checking the information? If it is acceptable, then we can import the German citations without further ado; if not, we need someone to go to a library that has the material. Kdammers (talk) 18:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Good point. The article was previously deleted on en-WP due to copyright issues[1] on March 7, 2023. It is unclear if the COPYVIO issues are present in the current version as well, as I'm unable to view deleted articles/drafts. Netherzone (talk) 19:44, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, I work at New Page Patrol, and recently reviewed an article there on Heinrich Steinhöwel. I noticed that you removed a maintenance tag I had placed on the article, Heinrich Steinhöwel without fixing the problem. The problem is that the article does not have enough references, nor inline citations. While I do not disagree that he is notable, the article is almost entirely unsourced, (as is the German version of the article, which this was translated from.) En-WP requires that biographies in particular need to have each fact or claim referenced to a reliable source. That is how we maintain the quality and integrity of the encyclopedia. BTW, maintenance tags are not a "badge of shame", they are a "heads-up" to the community of editors here that improvements need to be made to an article to bring it up to en-WP standards. I will be restoring the maintenance tag. Please add sources to this article that you created to comply with guidelines. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 16:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

It strikes me WP should smarten up its methodology. On several articles I notice exhortations to bulk them out with material from foreign-language Wikis but reactions such as yours are hardly encouraging for those who do. Naturally the bulk of the sources in those Wikis are going to be in the language of those articles - there's a Portuguese one as well, from which I lifted one sentence - and I judged that simply transferring information of those sources to the English article is not going to be particularly verifiable. I notice, by the way, that as well as the six sources mentioned in the German biographical section, which you dismiss in your message, it is also based on accessible German works of reference mentioned in the bibliography. Just restoring the maintenance tag without addressing the question of accessible sourcing helps no-one. I suggest you bring the question up at administrator level rather than throwing your weight around in such an officious and unhelpful way. Sweetpool50 (talk) 18:15, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

You do, of course, realize that the article was previously deleted on en-WP due to copyright issues[2] on March 7, 2023. Were those COPYVIO issues checked against the German version before creating the article in English? Netherzone (talk) 19:48, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Unhelpful and self-righteous as ever, @Netherzone! Yes, of course I knew of the previous deletion, although the investigation you linked to nowhere specifies what the problem was other than "copyright issues". However, since it is WP policy to suggest adding information from other Wikis, and since the German Wiki is acknowledged as a source, I fail to see the point of your question. Sweetpool50 (talk) 20:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Please cool it with the insults, civility is a key policy and an essential pillar of the encyclopedia. If you wish to read the rational for the former deletion, please read the original report from 27 February 2023 by scrolling to the bottom of the link above. The main problems were Google translations, and unverifiable citations. Please add inline citations to the specific claims/facts in the article on English Wikipedia so those claims can be verified. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 21:44, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Where is "the link above"? The only link is the one "issues[2]...on March 7, 2023" -- and that one doesn't have any-thing about this specific article that I can see. Kdammers (talk) 22:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)