Talk:Heliopolis Palace

Unjustified reverts

I am restoring an edit I made which I corrected the names and transliterations in. I also moved them from the beginning sentence for easier reading. Johnny Squeaky unreasonably reverted them twice (first time - second time). My edit is crucial to disambiguate the confusion about the name of the palace and the transliteration errors in that article. Either remove all the names claimed to be known primarily in Egypt, because they were false, or correct them, as I did. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 19:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved: no consensus in 36 days, no discussion in last 25 days Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:53, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

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Heliopolis Palace → Ittihadiya Palace – This was its name before the 1960s when it was a hotel and was called "Heliopolis Palace Hotel". It has been renamed to "Ittihadiya Palace" (Arabic:قصر الاتحادية → Kasr al Ittihadiya) and now it is Egypt's main presidential palace. Relisted. BDD (talk) 00:00, 7 February 2014 (UTC) Fitzcarmalan (talk) 11:56, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

• Split its history as an operating hotel is a business entity, while its history as a building is a separate topic. Ittihadiya Palace would be the article for the history of the building, along with its current function. "Heliopolis Palace" would only cover the business, and leave most of the building information in the "Ittihadiya Palace" article. -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 05:49, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

• Not such a good idea since its history as a hotel doesn't have much sources to create a separate article for it and it isn't that notable either. + I don't predict many users willing to work on this. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 02:05, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

• I oppose a split. 98% of the article is about the building. The "operating hotel [as] a business entity" is barely mentioned in the article. —  AjaxSmack  02:21, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

• User:AjaxSmack - Do you think it should be moved? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 11:52, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

• I'll defer to others on that. I haven't had time to review sources on the issue and you don't present other evidence in the nomination. —  AjaxSmack  13:47, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

• For sources you can simply search for articles about last year's protests in Egypt among others → [1] [2] [3] [4] Fitzcarmalan (talk) 15:04, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

• You're going to make me work, huh?...

• Searching Google Books since 1970, I get around 125 hits for "heliopolis palace" versus only about 9 hits for "ittihadiya palace" plus a few more for spelling variations. The ratio at Google Scholar is similar. It seems that, in recent quality English-language sources, the building's status as Helipolis is a lot more notable than as Ittihadiya.

However, general Google searches favor "Ittihadiya" over "Helipolis" by a decent margin. (472 hits for "ittihadiya palace" and 243 hits for "ittihadiya presidential palace" versus only 325 hits for "heliopolis palace"). Almost all of these hits are from recent news stories, though.

I understand that Ittihadiya is the current name of the palace but Heliopolis still seems to be more strongly associated with the building in a broad selection of English sources. ("Ittihadiya" doesn't seem to have entirely caught on and many sources simply use "presidential palace"). Therefore, in the spirit of WP:NOTNEWS/WP:RECENTISM, I don't support a move (without some further insight from others on the names) but I'm fine if others want to move it. I still oppose a split. —  AjaxSmack  17:27, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

• I also oppose a split and i thought as well about moving it to Presidential Palace (Egypt) but the thing is that there are other places in Egypt also referred to as "presidential palace" including the Koubbeh Palace, although they're mostly used to host other leaders as guests. No one in Egypt calls it Heliopolis Palace now since it's an outdated name (Another thing, and it's not a reliable source of course, but take it from someone who lives just a few blocks away). Anyway, i'm okay with waiting for other users to give us their opinions. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 18:51, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

• Observations based on your residency nearby are not reliable as far as article content but are certainly germane to the discussion. —  AjaxSmack  20:06, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

• Support - WP:COMMONNAME and NBC News, The Washington Post, FOX News, BBC..etc. Maurice07 (talk) 16:03, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

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